Tun on arpeggiator in combi mode.

kshacklett · Post by **kshacklett** » Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:05 am

Trying to use an arpeggiator for the first time. Turns on and off with the Karma button in program mode. Can't find it in combi mode. Want it on one channel. Help?

Poseidon · Post by **Poseidon** » Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:36 am

There are no shortcuts when comes to KARMA, a complicated engine, so I would advice you to start from the begining:

Check the Kronos Operation Guide - Performing with KARMA in Combination mode ( pg. 240 )

and then jump to

Kronos Parameter Guide, pg 485.

StephenKay · Post by **StephenKay** » Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:06 pm

In Combi Mode, the KARMA "run" parameter comes into effect. In a program, the KARMA On/Off switch always functions directly. In a Combi, the switch "activates" KARMA, but each of the 4 modules has a run parameter that can either be on or off, and is usually connected to one of the 8 switches in the scene.

The Run parameter is on 7-1 GE Setup/Key Zones. If it is grayed out, that means it is assigned to one of the 8 scene switches.

kshacklett · Post by **kshacklett** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:53 pm

Thank you SK. I like seeing that you still actively support your product. It was late. The next day I discovered that the arp was running but not in the keyboard range I expected. I sorted that out. Might want to assign it to a switch sometime but the Karma switch will do for now.

Interesting how different arps behave differently. In program mode this same Karma arp will actually play the sound with and without arp at the same time. Might be useful. More importantly, program mode allows me to keep the arp running with the sustain pedal. If this is possible in combi mode it is apparently not the default state, and I'll have to figure out if it's possible. It makes it easier to change chords smoothly.

Another thing that seems to be peculiar to the Karma arp is how it plays across the keyboard rather than just playing one selected patch. It might be desirable some day to arp over several different sounds, but so far it is a bit of a nuisance. I want the arp to run three octaves using one patch so I'm not able to split the keyboard with different sounds across those octaves. Not a big deal but not ideal.

I'm a serious player and not too interested in computer generated music, but the endless possibilities are fascinating. If I wanted to get really cute I could add all kinds of cool effects to my live playing, but that's for another life.

Thanks again for your help.

kshacklett · Post by **kshacklett** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:54 pm

Thank you SK. I like seeing that you still actively support your product. It was late. The next day I discovered that the arp was running but not in the keyboard range I expected. I sorted that out. Might want to assign it to a switch sometime but the Karma switch will do for now.

Interesting how different arps behave differently. In program mode this same Karma arp will actually play the sound with and without arp at the same time. Might be useful. More importantly, program mode allows me to keep the arp running with the sustain pedal. If this is possible in combi mode it is apparently not the default state, and I'll have to figure out if it's possible. It makes it easier to change chords smoothly.

Another thing that seems to be peculiar to the Karma arp is how it plays across the keyboard rather than just playing one selected patch. It might be desirable some day to arp over several different sounds, but so far it is a bit of a nuisance. I want the arp to run three octaves using one patch so I'm not able to split the keyboard with different sounds across those octaves. Not a big deal but not ideal.

I'm a serious player and not too interested in computer generated music, but the endless possibilities are fascinating. If I wanted to get really cute I could add all kinds of cool effects to my live playing, but that's for another life.

Thanks again for your help.

kshacklett · Post by **kshacklett** » Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:55 pm

Thank you SK. I like seeing that you still actively support your product. It was late. The next day I discovered that the arp was running but not in the keyboard range I expected. I sorted that out. Might want to assign it to a switch sometime but the Karma switch will do for now.

Interesting how different arps behave differently. In program mode this same Karma arp will actually play the sound with and without arp at the same time. Might be useful. More importantly, program mode allows me to keep the arp running with the sustain pedal. If this is possible in combi mode it is apparently not the default state, and I'll have to figure out if it's possible. It makes it easier to change chords smoothly.

Another thing that seems to be peculiar to the Karma arp is how it plays across the keyboard rather than just playing one selected patch. It might be desirable some day to arp over several different sounds, but so far it is a bit of a nuisance. I want the arp to run three octaves using one patch so I'm not able to split the keyboard with different sounds across those octaves. Not a big deal but not ideal.

I'm a serious player and not too interested in computer generated music, but the endless possibilities are fascinating. If I wanted to get really cute I could add all kinds of cool effects to my live playing, but that's for another life.

Thanks again for your help.

19naia · Post by **19naia** » Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:29 am

kshacklett wrote:Thank you SK. I like seeing that you still actively support your product. It was late. The next day I discovered that the arp was running but not in the keyboard range I expected. I sorted that out. Might want to assign it to a switch sometime but the Karma switch will do for now.

Interesting how different arps behave differently. In program mode this same Karma arp will actually play the sound with and without arp at the same time. Might be useful. More importantly, program mode allows me to keep the arp running with the sustain pedal. If this is possible in combi mode it is apparently not the default state, and I'll have to figure out if it's possible. It makes it easier to change chords smoothly.

Another thing that seems to be peculiar to the Karma arp is how it plays across the keyboard rather than just playing one selected patch. It might be desirable some day to arp over several different sounds, but so far it is a bit of a nuisance. I want the arp to run three octaves using one patch so I'm not able to split the keyboard with different sounds across those octaves. Not a big deal but not ideal.

I'm a serious player and not too interested in computer generated music, but the endless possibilities are fascinating. If I wanted to get really cute I could add all kinds of cool effects to my live playing, but that's for another life.

Thanks again for your help.

Karma “arp” can be zoned to just a few octaves or any octave and karma can be made to do the other things you mentioned. The things you noticed of it in Program mode, are possible to copy to Combi mode using the drop down menu and copy from program command. Then a prompt for copy with Karma and such.
You can copy a Karma setup and paste it where you need it.

Get to know Karma more and you will see that it can do more than anyone really can keep up with even in a fully packed combi.

I suggest looking first into Karma Midi I/O section. That is important for using Karma in Combi mode, if you want to start customizing your own Karma action across a multi program combi.
Karma Midi I/O is crucial for separating Karma arp of one combi program and another combi program. Also lets you mix in all 4 Karma arps into a single combi and separating their effect from other programs in the combi.
If you are already familiar with midi channelling, then Karma Midi I/O should not be so confusing to learn.

And yes, Kronos Karma lets you use up to 4 arps together in one Combi play.
You can set each Karma arp to function on any Octave or key and let it play on 1,2,3 or any available number of keys or octaves you like.
And all that is just the beginning of set up for heaps of General effect features that take the arp beyond just being an arp.

SK prefers to say Karma is not an arp. Karma can do arp but karma goes so much beyond being an arp, that it will not do things the way a typical arp machine does it.

StephenKay · Post by **StephenKay** » Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:02 am

kshacklett wrote:Another thing that seems to be peculiar to the Karma arp is how it plays across the keyboard rather than just playing one selected patch. It might be desirable some day to arp over several different sounds, but so far it is a bit of a nuisance. I want the arp to run three octaves using one patch so I'm not able to split the keyboard with different sounds across those octaves.

As 19naia has said, all of what you want to do here can be done simply by putting the KARMA modules on different channels. Want to have a KARMA module play a program full range without any key zone limitations? And yet have the same program key-zoned into a split that you can play from the keyboard without KARMA affecting it? Just put more than one instance of the program in two different combi slots and assign the MIDI Channels appropriately.

kshacklett · Post by **kshacklett** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:12 am

Hmm, I could probably do that but what if the keyboard I'm triggering it from sends on only one channel? Guess I'd be out of luck. I think I can send on two channels...so I have the choice of reprogramming the trigger keyboard (Yamaha EX5) or reserving three octaves for the arpeggios. Since I hadn't thought of the two channel routine I managed to reserve three octaves and still find enough keys for the other sounds.

Come to think of it, it's possible that the trigger keyboard will send on only one channel. My usual rig is a Kronos 61 on top and EX5 on the bottom, but I'm playing Cruise to the Edge and I asked them only for an 88 key weighted digital piano, controller, or synth for my bottom keyboard and a Kronos 61 for the top...so I don't know what the bottom keyboard will be. So I did the right thing...but thanks for reminding me about using a different channel. I might need to do that some day.

kshacklett · Post by **kshacklett** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:12 am

Hmm, I could probably do that but what if the keyboard I'm triggering it from sends on only one channel? Guess I'd be out of luck. I think I can send on two channels...so I have the choice of reprogramming the trigger keyboard (Yamaha EX5) or reserving three octaves for the arpeggios. Since I hadn't thought of the two channel routine I managed to reserve three octaves and still find enough keys for the other sounds.

Come to think of it, it's possible that the trigger keyboard will send on only one channel. My usual rig is a Kronos 61 on top and EX5 on the bottom, but I'm playing Cruise to the Edge and I asked them only for an 88 key weighted digital piano, controller, or synth for my bottom keyboard and a Kronos 61 for the top...so I don't know what the bottom keyboard will be. So I did the right thing...but thanks for reminding me about using a different channel. I might need to do that some day.

kshacklett · Post by **kshacklett** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:19 am

I just noticed that I'm posting the same message more than once...because when I select "Submit" the window that I wrote the message in doesn't go away so I think that it didn't get posted.

kshacklett · Post by **kshacklett** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:22 am

I see now that it shows the website working down in the corner and just takes a little while to post. Sorry.