MIDI setting

irpinia2000 · Post by **irpinia2000** » Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:58 pm

i am trying to find a way to change the midi channel of the i3 so that i can control the keyboard with my accordion , but i don't find any setting to change midi channel of the i3 , any idea of what to do here ? or there isn't any setting?

voip · Post by **voip** » Fri Oct 18, 2024 9:00 am

The MIDI channels on the i3 are already pre-allocated in Performance and Sequencer modes, so it looks as if there isn't any scope to change them. Here are the allocations:

Ch01: Upper 1 part
Ch02: Upper 2 part
Ch03: Upper 3 part
Ch04: Lower part
Ch09: Bass part
Ch10: Drum part
Ch11: Percussion part
Ch12–16: other parts (1–5)

Note also that the i3 only has a MIDI Out DIN port. There is no MIDI In DIN socket on the i3. Re: your other thread, did you get a MIDI USB Host device and, if so, does it work with MIDI Outs from other MIDI sources e.g. keyboards. According to the manual, the i3 can be used as a tone generator, when connected to a computer. This should also be applicable when using a USB MIDI Host device connected to a MIDI Out DIN source, but settings may be required to be made on the host for it to work. Check the MIDI Host user manual for relevant information. I don't have an i3 here at the moment, to be able to check any of this.

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irpinia2000 · Post by **irpinia2000** » Fri Oct 18, 2024 1:31 pm

hello and thank you for your reapply , i did bough a midi/usb hub actually 2 different ones to see if maybe i can solve the issue that way but no...the accordion is midi but not from factory , actually the midi system was installed in Ancona Italy by professionals and there is no setting to change the midi channel , i do get sound from the i3 when the midi is all connected , but i cant have the CHORDS playing when i press the accordion bass , now to put this in prospective i also have a PA1000 which work perfectly with the accordion but i need an other keyboard with arranger for my accordion and i choose the i3 for the price and the very good performance , but i cant find the right way to have the accordion controlling the chords , and that is what i need ... so i have a feeling because of the very low price of the i3 there isn't a setting to change the midi channels , i hope i am wrong , so any help i appreciated
thank you

voip · Post by **voip** » Fri Oct 18, 2024 2:31 pm

Both the MIDI Solutions Event Processor and Event Processor Plus will perform actions like remap the MIDI channel of MIDI note-on messages. This means they can be set to receive notes on, say, MIDI channel 1, and send them out on the MIDI channel of your choice, whilst preserving the velocity values. It's possible for these Event Processors to perform several different such remaps, so if your accordion outputs MIDI on more than one channel, the other channels can be re-routed also.

Once they're programmed, the settings are preserved by the Event Processor, so they only need programming once, which is done using a MIDI port on a PC. They receive their power from the MIDI port itself, so it's basically just a small box of electronics with one MIDI cable going in, and another going out.

https://midisolutions.com/products.htm

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irpinia2000 · Post by **irpinia2000** » Fri Oct 18, 2024 3:49 pm

i see... so basically if i understand correctly i have to first find out what channel midi is my accordion transmitting on and then programming the midi event processor to transmit the desired midi channel needed to control the i3 , did i get it correctly??and midi solution is the only available processor? or there is other out there? i need to keep my costs down since now i purchased 2 usb/midi hubs and i cant return them ...but if this is the only option then i will go for the midi solution

voip · Post by **voip** » Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:45 pm

Software, such as MIDI-OX can be used to visualise the MIDI data, including the channel information, coming from the accordion.

The software for programming the MIDI Solutions devices is free to use, and covers most of the MIDI Solutions products, so you can see what a particular product is capable of, before you buy. There may be other similar hardware solutions out there, but prices are in a similar ball park.

As for alternatives, MIDI-OX software running on a PC will also perform this type of mapping, but a PC (laptop of desktop running Windows) will be needed at your performances. If you have MIDI-OX installed, go to Options | Data Mapping, to open the window for creating the mappings. Trying this method will give an idea of how well MIDI mapping will work in your case.

MIDI Pipe will do something similar on a Mac. Both MIDI-OX and MIDI Pipe are free for personal use.

PS (Edit done to correct typos)
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irpinia2000 · Post by **irpinia2000** » Fri Oct 18, 2024 5:17 pm

well i can try that but i need something that i can use on gigs , i did found this U6MIDI Pro which appear to do the same , but i am not sure , if nothing else work then i will buy the t MIDI Solutions Event Processor that you've suggested
let me what you think thank you again

voip · Post by **voip** » Fri Oct 18, 2024 5:41 pm

The U6MIDI Pro may well be able to remap MIDI channel data. The device does require an external power supply, unlike the MIDI Solutions product.

If you are able to use the free software approach, with something like MIDI-OX, then it will be possible to see how well MIDI channel remapping works, before spending out on another piece of hardware. Don't forget that it will probably also be necessary to remap the MIDI Note Off messages, else notes played by the accordion on the i3 won't stop sounding.

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irpinia2000 · Post by **irpinia2000** » Fri Oct 18, 2024 7:56 pm

i see ... so i guess it will be a bit difficult to set it up correctly i assume that MIDI Solutions have technical support

voip · Post by **voip** » Fri Oct 18, 2024 10:29 pm

MIDI Solutions offer support via an email address: info@midisolutions.com

The MIDI Solutions software generates code, which appears in the main software Window, and can then be sent by the software as SysEx to the MIDI Processor. It's actually fairly straightforward.

As an example, the code to map Note on and Note off events occurring on on MIDI channel 01 to MIDI channel 02, is shown below. If you open the MIDI Solutions software, choose Event Processor, and then copy and paste the code below into the MIDI Solutions software, right clicking on it brings up the Settings window. Try it, it's not as complicated as it might first seem:

F0 00 00 50 28 00 F7
{ Clear All Settings - allow all MIDI events not specified below to pass through unchanged }

F0 00 00 50 28 02 00 00 02 00 7F 01 03 00 7F 02 02 00 7F 03 03 00 7F F7
90 00 00
91 00 00
{ Setting #1: Map all Note-On events on MIDI channel 1 to Note-On events on MIDI channel 2, with the incoming Note number mapped to the outgoing Note number, and the incoming velocity mapped to the outgoing velocity value. Continue to process settings (right-click to edit) }

F0 00 00 50 28 02 01 00 02 00 7F 01 03 00 7F 02 02 00 7F 03 03 00 7F F7
80 00 00
81 00 00
{ Setting #2: Map all Note-Off events on MIDI channel 1 to Note-Off events on MIDI channel 2, with the incoming Note number mapped to the outgoing Note number, and the incoming velocity mapped to the outgoing velocity value. Continue to process settings (right-click to edit) }

irpinia2000 · Post by **irpinia2000** » Sun Oct 20, 2024 7:14 pm

hello and thank you for your help so i installed midi ox for window and i followed the steps but i don't see any data coming out in other words nothing happens , ive tried different steps i am using a midi to usb cable adapter and has a light on it and is red when is plugged in the midi out accordion and is blinking blue every time any note is pressed , not sure what is going on here , so i can definitely purchase the midi solution if i know for certain it will solve my issue and as far the schematic you've sent me well yes to me is confusing , but if i can get it to work will be worthed for me

voip · Post by **voip** » Sun Oct 20, 2024 8:11 pm

From what you describe, MIDI data are being generated by the accordion. To view the data in MIDI-OX, the following need to be set up.

First, the MIDI interface needs to be connected to the PC and secondly, the accordion needs to be connected to the MIDI In port of the interface.

Then, in MIDI-OX, go to: Options / MIDI Devices, and in the resulting window, ensure your MIDI interface is selected for MIDI Inputs and MIDI Outputs.

In the MIDI-OX window, go to: Options / Data Display / and ensure that both Monitor Input: Hex and Monitor Output: Hex are checked, and the respective monitor windows are showing on the screen. The monitor windows can be opened using the two data window icons below the main menu items line (the icons are called Display Raw MIDI Input, and Main Output Monitor). If you can't see the monitor windows, they may be minimised near bottom left of the main MIDI-OX window. If the two icons cannot be seen, use: Options / Customise Toolbar and select the two icons.

Got to the Actions drop down menu, and ensure that Stop Display is being shown, but do no click on it, since it means that the data display has been started. If you see Start Display in the dropdown, click on it to start the display process.

Hopefully that should show the MIDI data generated by the accordion.

If MIDI data are being shown, it should now be possible to check how well the MIDI Mapping works for your use case. The MIDI Out port, on your MIDI Interface, needs to be connected to the MIDI In port of the i3.

If you want help setting up the mapping, let me know.

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irpinia2000 · Post by **irpinia2000** » Sun Oct 20, 2024 9:16 pm

well then i don't have the necessary hardware for this , the only midi adapter in my disposal is this https://a.co/d/7kLsqZj both midi host that i purchased i returned them , so with this cable adapter i have i can only use one midi which is in , the accordion midi power adapter only has midi out , again this was an acoustic accordion and then had a midi system installed in Italy , but my next step is to buy a midi solution event unit and go from there , do you agree??or i am missing something else here?
once again i thank you for your help

voip · Post by **voip** » Sun Oct 20, 2024 9:37 pm

With the MIDI adapter shown in your link, the accordion MIDI Out is connected to the adapter's MIDI In, and the adapter's MIDI Out is connected to the i3 MIDI In. That should be sufficient for you to find out if MIDI remapping will work in your case.

I'm presuming that is is a MIDI DIN output on the accordion, and not via a USB MIDI interface inside.

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irpinia2000 · Post by **irpinia2000** » Sun Oct 20, 2024 9:40 pm

ok so i was playing with the setting and the only thing that i don't see is start display , the only display that i see is in the main menu display raw midi input and display midi port activity and i see the midi device selected both input and output , but no midi messages anywhere in any window