Pa4x OS 1.2.0

Post by **karmathanever** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:30 am

newkorgguy wrote:I can confirm that it worked on my Kronos X (SOLD) and Pa3X
If i transpose Pa3x -1, Kronos X Global will show -1 for transpose as well

Cool - would love to know how/why etc - we need MIDI implementation manuals!!!

Pete

taletdk · Post by **taletdk** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:49 am

The loop can't be compressed

zoric · Post by **zoric** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:54 pm

Nemik wrote:
karmathanever wrote:
I don't think PA1/2/34X to Kronos would ever work.
Is only one way to find out
We need to find someone who own Pa3x and Kronos and test it.

Personally for me this function is useless, I'm from group people who don't transpose keys, I play in scale whatever is, no need to transpose, but many people love transpose and since was working on Pa3x I think is no harm to make work on Pa4x.
I am more concern if midi out chord is sending like they say in manual:
Chord
Use this channel to send notes recognized by the Chord Recognition
engine to the MIDI OUT or USB DEVICE port. This is useful, for example,
to control an external Harmonizer playing on the Lower part
(even if the part is muted).
or still like in Pa600 is sending only notes (by passing) from keyboard before Chord Recognition engine.
This in my opinion is very useful function to work with 2-nd keyboard.
Was be perfect if is working on Chord Sequencer too, could have free hand and still sending chords to external arpeggiator.
BTW, can somebody check on this???

I am trying to find Pa3x somewhere near me to try it with Kronos....we have confirmation that it works on M3 ,Fantom G6,Triton Le,Tr...it's not important just for Kronos Users,definitely Pa4x is sending bad parameters we can all see that....

taletdk · Post by **taletdk** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:14 pm

See this video

https://youtu.be/JoGsYkug1EY

Post by **karmathanever** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:32 pm

Re this MIDI transpose problem

Pure logic is telling me that this will NOT work based on the SYSEX messages being different on each keyboard (PA4X and Kronos)

Now you say that PA3X to Kronos did work in which case the MIDI message must be the same on both keyboards.

Just trying to understand this (and possibly help) and have to say that this is something I would never require - I only need the ability to play one keyboard and transpose the output to another keyboard/module and we all know that works perfectly.

I am happy to be completely shouted down here but I cannot understand how master transpose changes on one keyboard can change the master transpose on another unless they BOTH recognise the same SYSEX message structure.
Please see this:-
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpbb2/ ... 1a40defd6e
and some SYSEX changes were made in Kronos 3.0.3:-
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... =transpose

Cheers

Pete

Nemik · Post by **Nemik** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:50 pm

karmathanever wrote:
I am happy to be completely shouted down here but I cannot understand how master transpose changes on one keyboard can change the master transpose on another unless they BOTH recognise the same SYSEX message structure.

Cheers

Pete

first byte of SYSEX Message is always F0 (Sysex start), last one is F7 (Sysex End), but second byte is Manufacturer id, so means messages can looks different from different devices, but receiver is recognize them and translate.
But long story short, Pa4x is not working with any, I believe developers can easily fix with next update, is only required correct string data, then make more people happy.

zoric · Post by **zoric** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:19 pm

Thanks Nemik for explaining the matter...now only is up to developers to see this so they can fix this up!!!

MarcoNp · Post by **MarcoNp** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:00 pm

In the end, however, there is a bug with the Pa4x or we do not know that we reject midi?

cobay · Post by **cobay** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:53 pm

musiccankill wrote:
karmathanever wrote:(Cisco vs Korg ?????????? )
I had the same reaction too but i had to answer!

There is nothing to laugh.
I compared the way to release a product. Tested or not!

Cisco does a good job, in my opinion, with almost every ios they release.
Korg proved that they released PA4x in a hurry.... this product wasn't ready yet. Functions missing, other not working. When they added missing features... Again, not working the way they should work.

Some people here worked 2 or 3 months to get a "colour" to their sounds. Now someone tells that it was a problem with previous versions of pa4x os and you have to load again the sounds from pa3x or any other source. It is unacceptable.

I bought PA2X, PA3X and now PA4X. I have no post on this forum until I bought PA4X.... I tried to find answers and see if I got a problem or the product itself.

Thanks for your support guys, but I really think someone should get the attention of korg developers. I'm tired of some "approved merchants" that praises the new extraordinary product PA4X, but here is a post on this forum wrote by a guy who bought pa4x and had the bad luck to go to a live show with it.

Bescki wrote:I have concert tonight after 30 minutes. My pa4x stuck on boot, cannot boot. How a new keyboard can have this problem. If cannot boot i will have really serious problems with organizer. I hope it wont happen to someone else...

I tried to re update the system, but after update again stucks on boot.[/img]

This seems to be something to laugh. Why are we in a hurry? Pa4x should be bought in 2017 ..... when all the customers did their job as beta testers (and you have to pay 3800$ to do this).

musiccankill · Post by **musiccankill** » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:45 pm

Hello!
Maybe you wanted to write APPLE instead of CISCO (by reading about IOS now).
And yes apple does a bit better job but it is a way bigger company and they still have many bugs, but you are not a programmer for IOS apps i suppose so you will never find them out!
If bugs didn't exist on their IOS, updates wouldn't come one after the other...
Korg at least always listen to their customers but this time it has gone out of control and they have to do something really quick about it..
I think they put all their effort to implement compression on the new cpu/dsp and add again the other functions that users wanted to support them and this way they got more bugs added in..
They should have first finished with the old bugs that had already been found and then add new functions..I am very positive that the next update will fix most of the problems as now there are no more functions to be implemented..Maybe they fix the compression problem for the users that had already made their set with the decompression of the old os..
We will see!

korgmkd · Post by **korgmkd** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:04 pm

Bravo development team. My Korg after 1.20 upgrade is unusable. My samples is only very bad noise. Do you know what you made from us.. monkeys.
How to get playing tonight?
I'll try downgrade my synth to 1.13 if it's possible.
Dear God.

goranbeograd · Post by **goranbeograd** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:32 pm

compress all samples,and everything will be ok...

cobay · Post by **cobay** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:47 pm

musiccankill wrote:Hello!
Maybe you wanted to write APPLE instead of CISCO (by reading about IOS now).
And yes apple does a bit better job but it is a way bigger company and they still have many bugs, but you are not a programmer for IOS apps i suppose so you will never find them out!
If bugs didn't exist on their IOS, updates wouldn't come one after the other...
Korg at least always listen to their customers but this time it has gone out of control and they have to do something really quick about it..
I think they put all their effort to implement compression on the new cpu/dsp and add again the other functions that users wanted to support them and this way they got more bugs added in..
They should have first finished with the old bugs that had already been found and then add new functions..I am very positive that the next update will fix most of the problems as now there are no more functions to be implemented..Maybe they fix the compression problem for the users that had already made their set with the decompression of the old os..
We will see!

cisco os is named IOS... as far as i know, apple bought the right to name their os from cisco....

Although Apple did invent the ‘i’ nomenclature with products like the iMac and iPod, Cisco owned the trademarks for both “iPhone and “IOS” many years before Apple. The Silicon Valley-based company has never been in the same market as Apple; Cisco has always focused on networking and enterprise while Apple has targeted the average consumer. Although Cisco has branched out into the consumer space with some of the most popular home routers and networking utilities around, the two companies are still by no means competing for the same thing.

Belive me... I know what i wanted to write... As I wrote before... I wish you well. I can't spend more time talking about something that has very few chances to happen. Like UI resolution ... etc etc etc.... Good bye

musiccankill · Post by **musiccankill** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:49 pm

I am sorry, i didn't knew that!Thanks for the info!
UI will not happen for sure lol.
There are way more disturbing bugs making the 4x unusable for many users..
If they even change the UI and do it before fixing the bugs ,just omg...

Bescki · Post by **Bescki** » Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:43 pm

I am not sure to upload 1.2 version to my keyboard. Maybe there will be any other versione 1.2.1 something :S