stealing will not help you out, because 48 or 24 (stereo) voices are just that
you're so wrong here that you can't imagine... as soon as possible I'll post two mp3 with the piano result from my triton and a kurzweil and you'll hear how much the stealing notes in kurzweil help a pianist performance.
about the sounds... I think that it's very subjective: I still prefer the k2661 piano sound over the m3 piano and the same for strings, flute and other.
regards, Lorenzo
stealing will not help you out, because 48 or 24 (stereo) voices are just that
you're so wrong here mate... as soon as possible I'll post two mp3 with the piano result from my triton and a kurzweil and you'll hear how much the stealing notes in kurzweil help a pianist performance.
about the sounds... I think that it's very subjective: I still prefer the k2661 piano sound over the m3 piano and the same for strings, flute and other.
regards, Lorenzo
so, here we are, just a few notes from debussy here first with a patch on the triton prox that uses 2 osc and so 2 samples: polyphony is half so 31 notes; second mp3 comes from a k2500r on which I used 2 osc and so 2 samples like on the triton: polyphony is 24 notes... http://logo80.homeip.net/userspaces/irishacts/tps.mp3 http://logo80.homeip.net/userspaces/irishacts/kps.mp3
now... are you still sure that the way a keyboard steals notes when reach its max poly isn't important?
regards, Lorenzo
I would say that pretty much says (or hears) it all. I really like my M3, but for performance players, the PC3 is going to KILL the big three for the weekend warior.
can't understand if you're joking or not... but anyway that is just a preset of the k2500r without roms and without kdfx (effect system of the k2600). So many people think that is a crappy sounds from a 80ish keyboard (even if the k2500r born in the early 90ies I think). Anyway... far better than the triton piano...
drama1 wrote:I would say that pretty much says (or hears) it all. I really like my M3, but for performance players, the PC3 is going to KILL the big three for the weekend warior.
Yeah, even Kurzweil's SP2X has amazing sounds - and plenty to cover a typical pop gig. All the sounds totally belie its very modest price, and the keybed feels great. Dead simple old-skool interface too. I like it a lot!
stealing will not help you out, because 48 or 24 (stereo) voices are just that
you're so wrong here that you can't imagine... as soon as possible I'll post two mp3 with the piano result from my triton and a kurzweil and you'll hear how much the stealing notes in kurzweil help a pianist performance.
about the sounds... I think that it's very subjective: I still prefer the k2661 piano sound over the m3 piano and the same for strings, flute and other.
regards, Lorenzo
Dear Lorenzo, you should read and understand the whole sentence I posted and not a part of it. I was talking about multitimbral use and working with a sequencer. The notestealing does the job indeed on a Kurzweil (it seems that korg doesn't even has something like that. It sounds like a bad joke), but once you use up your available voices, there is nothing to steal.
sani wrote:
Dear Lorenzo, you should read and understand the whole sentence I posted and not a part of it. I was talking about multitimbral use and working with a sequencer. The notestealing does the job indeed on a Kurzweil (it seems that korg doesn't even has something like that. It sounds like a bad joke), but once you use up your available voices, there is nothing to steal.
maybe but I've read this too
Put it single, a single layer (oscillator) stereo piano on a k26 will have 24 voice polyphony. A single oscillator stereo piano on a m3 will have 60 voice polyphony. That's three times more.
So I just answered to that. Don't know in what occasion you run out of polyphony, I used a multitimbral patch (piano plus strings... maybe you want a third patch too added to the two? I can put here a demo and you'll notice that the k2661 with its 48 poly still do the job better than the triton classic, ok the m3 has 120 voices so it's far different but in a heavy layer sound many time there is a synth too... and in that case the kurzweil doesn't need to half its polyphony. About seq use... do you use seq in live? I never did it, so I don't know if I go out of poly using it with my kurzweil and my needs... about studio recording I think that everyone is agree that the internal sequencer is only good for taking drafts and not to record a track.
Regards, Lorenzo
Read on Harmonycentral forum PC3 to include VA1 synth engine combined with KDFX. Oh, boy, we're all in trouble now. If this is true, Kurz is going to kick some serious as*. I still like my M3 w Radias, but Korg really lacks in authentic acoustic sounding instruments whereas Kurz is simply the best IMHO with acoustic samples. This could all be a lot of hype though, so I'll wait and see. In the meantime I'm still programming the M3 to my liking, although I may be wrong, but I really think Korg should release a completely new set of programs/combis for the M3 at Namm. It seems that is the biggest complaint is lack of programs/combis for this board. Release some really killer programs for the M3 and Korg may put a big damper on the release of the PC3. We'll see-----
Well, I do agree that I miss some good programs from acoustic to synth type on the M3 and I also think that the Karma is actually programmed very bad on the M3. For me, there is nothing convincing on how the karma function is programmed to the programs. When I had the Karma keyboards, I was able to demonstrate my friends what Karma is all about. On the M3 however, it sounds worse than a regular plain simple arpeggiator.
But I disagree that the acoustic sounds are not comparable to the kurzweil. In most cases they sound better to me.
Keep in mind its very difficult to trust demos. They are recorded in ideal settings with professionals. Many times demos also have added effects to enhance the sounds. While I'm not saying this is the case, its best to wait, try it for yourself and see if it meets the expectations and is something you'd consider based upon the price. We can all remember both good and bad experiences based upon demos w've heard that either lived up to or disappointed us after we experienced the actual keyboards. I can think of a few that come to mind. Anyone remember the great sounding Alesis Fusion demos when it first came out? I played the real thing and thought this is no where near the sound quality I heard in the demos. On the flip side the Motif XS lived up to the quality I heard.
Sina172 wrote:HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! That Kurzweil piano sounds AMAZING! WOW! I love those strings, too! My OASYS sounds just like that, actually. But coming from a Kurzweil? WOW! I am impressed!
Actually, string sounds are pretty damn good as well Maybe I should consider adding a K2500/2600 to my permanent collection...
Sina172 wrote:HOLY MOTHER OF GOD! That Kurzweil piano sounds AMAZING! WOW! I love those strings, too! My OASYS sounds just like that, actually. But coming from a Kurzweil? WOW! I am impressed!
Actually, string sounds are pretty damn good as well Maybe I should consider adding a K2500/2600 to my permanent collection...
Not a bad idea if you really like it and it will add something to your arsenal, but wait for the new PC3 to see how it compares. If the PC3 doesn't work for you, you could always then get the K2600. I think it just makes sense to compare as many things as possible then makes the best decision possible.
Maybe I should consider adding a K2500/2600 to my permanent collection...
