Jupiter 80....I bought it.....

[jimknopf]

Ron, just to put one thing clear:

the very last thing I would ever want is anybody to "chime in".
I'm completely speaking on my own, and just say what I think.
No hard feelings, just opinion. If we can't find some consensus, I can't and don't want to do anything about it, besides saying what I think.

From my view the basic things have become clear, including different views on comparison, and the rest is special interest for those concerned, which can well be discussed in the general synth forum threads.

[RonF]

Ron, just to put one thing clear:

the very last thing I would ever want is anybody to "chime in".
I'm completely speaking on my own, and just say what I think.
No hard feelings, just opinion. If we can't find some consensus, I can't and don't want to do anything about it, besides saying what I think.

From my view the basic things have become clear, including different views on comparison, and the rest is special interest for those concerned, which can well be discussed in the general synth forum threads.

Understood. As I said...no worries.

[Bruce Lychee]

I'm going to start a thread over at Roland for demo sound clips.

The first couple of clips I put up will just be for the purpose of highlighting features so I will use factory presets. The first one will demonstrate the tone blender.

The first registration item that comes up when you turn on the Jupiter is called Planet Jupiter. It showcases a variety of sounds and is a good way to demonstrate the tone blending feature. The board is split with Lower and Drum layered on the lower half and Upper and Solo layered on the upper half of the keyboard.

I play a basic progression so you can focus on the different sounds and the changes the tone blender causes. First time through is with no modifications. Second time through the same progression but I turn the upper tone blender around 35%. In the next part I turn the lower blender until it reaches max and add a little D-beam near the end when it sounds like your woofers are about to blow. You will then hear the tone blenders suddenly brought back to their default positions. At the end of the clip I reduce each of the 4 parts with the volume slider for each part to demonstrate how the parts are split and the difference between changing levels and using the tone blender.

I wasn't so smooth sweeping through the tone blenders but I think you will get the picture.

I used the internal WAV recorder. I will focus on some of the articulations in the next clip I put up. Unfortunately, I have been running around alot lately so things might trickle out slowly.


http://soundcloud.com/bruce-lychee/planet-jupiter

[billysynth1]

Hi Ron/Bruce

I hope you continue to post here about the JP80. As Madbeats has pointed out about competing instruments in the same market, i personally see no issue. Sharp is the only one with the power to decide in the end.

Until Sharp comes in on this thread, nobody has the right to tell someone to go elsewhere.... well you can voice your opinion but it seems like the majority of us are enjoying this thread

This is a friendly discussion of a Roland synth and really not a threat to the Kronos. Nobody is saying dont buy the Kronos...we have all put our orders in for a Kronos - a friendly complementary synth discussion is nice.

Regards
Billy

[Rocness]

Ron, just to put one thing clear:

the very last thing I would ever want is anybody to "chime in".
I'm completely speaking on my own, and just say what I think.
No hard feelings, just opinion. If we can't find some consensus, I can't and don't want to do anything about it, besides saying what I think.

From my view the basic things have become clear, including different views on comparison, and the rest is special interest for those concerned, which can well be discussed in the general synth forum threads.

I don't understand ,
if you don't like this tread then why read it. Why not just move to a tread that you do like . I just can't help but feel that if people here where bashing the JP-80 it would have been alright but the fact that people have said that they are really impressed with the JP-80
now the tread doesnt belong here . I was getting some realy good information here untill you decided it has no place here . The truth is I'm getting more info here than at Roland Clan .

[rrricky rrrecordo]

I have found Ron's and Bruce's JP posts to be interesting and relevant. I hope you will both continue to post your experiences and discoveries with the JP here. Thanks to both of you for all the great information!

[blytzz]

I guess I still dont get it...after playing the JP80 there is still no way I can justify spending that much money on a digital synth that is static. There are a few nice sounds like trumpets lol and some strings that are easily beaten by vsts like vienna and east west for a fraction of the cost, and as far as a synth goes, well...I dont know, you could buy any number of analog and VA synths and endlessly create electronic stuff, so where does the JP80 shine? Im actually thinking of canceling my kronos order and getting an ultranova, maudio venom, microkorg, roland 505 and some vsts with my Tex for a controller, and I will save money. The JP80 at 3500 dollars is hilarious, Im really not trying to be rude but 3500!! wasnt even close to worth it, the workstation version with sampling and all the bells and whistles will be out next year for 3800. That may be worth it when its expandable.

[Bruce Lychee]

I have found Ron's and Bruce's JP posts to be interesting and relevant. I hope you will both continue to post your experiences and discoveries with the JP here. Thanks to both of you for all the great information!

I hope this didn't get lost in this needless banter. I plan on making a bunch of clips to highlight different aspects of the Jupiter. Not that I find Planet Jupiter particularly useful as a patch, but I do think the tone blender is pretty interesting:

I'm going to start a thread over at Roland for demo sound clips.

The first couple of clips I put up will just be for the purpose of highlighting features so I will use factory presets. The first one will demonstrate the tone blender.

The first registration item that comes up when you turn on the Jupiter is called Planet Jupiter. It showcases a variety of sounds and is a good way to demonstrate the tone blending feature. The board is split with Lower and Drum layered on the lower half and Upper and Solo layered on the upper half of the keyboard.

I play a basic progression so you can focus on the different sounds and the changes the tone blender causes. First time through is with no modifications. Second time through the same progression but I turn the upper tone blender around 35%. In the next part I turn the lower blender until it reaches max and add a little D-beam near the end when it sounds like your woofers are about to blow. You will then hear the tone blenders suddenly brought back to their default positions. At the end of the clip I reduce each of the 4 parts with the volume slider for each part to demonstrate how the parts are split and the difference between changing levels and using the tone blender.

I wasn't so smooth sweeping through the tone blenders but I think you will get the picture.

I used the internal WAV recorder. I will focus on some of the articulations in the next clip I put up. Unfortunately, I have been running around alot lately so things might trickle out slowly.


http://soundcloud.com/bruce-lychee/planet-jupiter

[RonF]

Im actually thinking of canceling my kronos order and getting an ultranova, maudio venom, microkorg, roland 505 and some vsts with my Tex for a controller, and I will save money.

I genuinely respect your opinion!

I also think your comment above says a lot about your tastes, expectations, motivating factors, and focus.

All in all...I agree that JP80 is not right for you. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Edit: Just a follow up thought.....I would reconsider canceling your Kronos order.....The gear you mention is all really cool...but its gonna pale in comparison in many ways compared to a Kronos. I totally get it if money is the over-riding factor...in which case the set up you describe will be great, and provide a lot of horsepower. But at the same time, if money IS a consideration, your investment will be much better placed in a Kronos. Just one mans opinion.....

[RonF]

I have found Ron's and Bruce's JP posts to be interesting and relevant. I hope you will both continue to post your experiences and discoveries with the JP here. Thanks to both of you for all the great information!

Just want to say a generalized "thanks" to the various supportive posts. All's good! Glad to engage in an interesting and "multi-faceted" conversation, as always here on KF! lol

[RonF]

I hope this didn't get lost in this needless banter. I plan on making a bunch of clips to highlight different aspects of the Jupiter.

It didn't! Great stuff Bruce! Look forward to more! I will do what I can do to contribute

[Chriskk]

Im really not trying to be rude but 3500!! wasnt even close to worth it,

What do you think about people who bought a monophonic Moog Voyager for roughly the same price?

[RonF]

Im really not trying to be rude but 3500!! wasnt even close to worth it,

What do you think about people who bought a monophonic Moog Voyager for roughly the same price?

Not to mention a 30 year old Jupiter 8 for roughly double that price!??

[RonF]

I hope this didn't get lost in this needless banter. I plan on making a bunch of clips to highlight different aspects of the Jupiter.

It didn't! Great stuff Bruce! Look forward to more! I will do what I can do to contribute

FWIW, that particular registration Planet Jupiter is not, to my ears, very representative of the JP80 overall sound character. I know why Bruce picked it though....because it is the default start up patch.....and it has distinctly separate layers making the Tone Blender function easy to hear. BUT....to any prospective and interested party.....Don't let that patch give you too much of an impression. I said in an earlier post that the factory registrations are not where "its at". You have to dig down a layer to the 2500 Live Sets. And, in general, the Tone Blender function works most musically, as you would expect, within reasonable tolerances. If you turn the Tone Blender to its extremes, its going to send Pitch LFO's and Envelope intensity to the outer limits, which, as typical, might not be very musical (great for sound EFX though). Again, I know Bruce was trying to illustrate the general function......


Edit: I mis-spoke as I typed late at night and tired.....The Tone Blender function does not route to Pitch LFO or Env Intensity....but it does route to other parameters which are equally as sensitive at the extreme ends of their range, and therefore less musical if not treated with some restraint. So the point is the same...but I wanted to be accurate in the technical details of what parameters are involved.

[Bruce Lychee]

I hope this didn't get lost in this needless banter. I plan on making a bunch of clips to highlight different aspects of the Jupiter.

It didn't! Great stuff Bruce! Look forward to more! I will do what I can do to contribute

FWIW, that particular registration Planet Jupiter is not, to my ears, very representative of the JP80 overall sound character. I know why Bruce picked it though....because it is the default start up patch.....and it has distinctly separate layers making the Tone Blender function easy to hear. BUT....to any prospective and interested party.....Don't let that patch give you too much of an impression. I said in an earlier post that the factory registrations are not where "its at". You have to dig down a layer to the 2500 Live Sets. And, in general, the Tone Blender function works most musically, as you would expect, within reasonable tolerances. If you turn the Tone Blender to its extremes, its going to send Pitch LFO's and Envelope intensity to the outer limits, which, as typical, might not be very musical (great for sound EFX though). Again, I know Bruce was trying to illustrate the general function......

Yes. I'm just focusing purely on the different features for now and will stick to factory patches for that purpose. I figure I might as well put the factory registration items to some use. I assume Planet Jupiter was made to highlight the tone blending since I hear Scott use it for that purpose.