A new Workhaus for a Music Production?

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:02 pm

Hi Sharp, i do not want to argue with u because i better spend my time on something more important to me or others and on my own projekt

P.s. If i will be able to aford new Mac Pro i probably will do review, if no then no.

Post by **Sharp** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:41 pm

We weren’t arguing.
I got to admit though, I find it fascinating you give Apple so much credit for what they do, and no credit to those who did it all before them.

Regards
Sharp.

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:42 pm

Apple put a certain polish on things though.

I had CE smartphones for years and they were a bit crap, the iPhone came out and it just worked well, smooth and non complicated.

Bachus · Post by **Bachus** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:10 pm

Sharp wrote:
I do not want to say Apple first invented something, i want to say that they invented something which works as overal product and is succseful.
It's not even been properly released yet so it's early days to call is successful. It's a high risk product for Apple so time will tell.

For example many technologies which are brough by Apple with new products existed befor but most of them failed or was not very succseful.
What technologies are you referring to?
Apple doesn’t have the largest market share of anything they make. Microsoft has a market share 19 times bigger than Apple, and Android has a market share twice the size of Apple and it's pulling ahead even at faster rate as Android devices outsell iOS devices 4 to 1.

The good example is iPhone. Touch screen technologiy existed befor, but when Apple brought the new Touch screen phone it was looked like revolution, and now days almost awrybody makes touch screen phones and probably call Apple over priced. I bet if Apple would not bring their iPhone we would still use thouse ugly cheaply made cellphones with buttons with cruppy preinstaled no name apps[/qoute]

I had a few touch screen smart phones long before Apple ever even made phones. Apple were the late comers to the smart phone market back then so I don't see how you could possible thing they started anything revolutionary.

I think it is a fakt that Apple leads computer industry because if there was no Apple, most companies just care about money and if something still make money they would not care about improving it, but because there is a strong competion they are forced not to stand still, but unfortionaly most of them do not invent anything but they just copy from others and make price tug smaller...
But they don't lead the computer industry. Everything they make has already been made by someone else before them.

Regards
Sharp.
True sharp, there where windows phones before there was the iphone... and yes they had touch csreens, but those required a pencil to use ..

What apple did with IoS for iphone, is the same thing you a few posts back in this topic cheered about for Window 8..... Apple made an OS to make use of the touchscreen in an efficient way..

Comming from a long history of windows phones and PDAs one needs to admit that the iphone was truely revolutionairy and a huge step for touch screen devices..

There is a lot of goodness comming from both IoS and Windows 8 in efficient use of touchscreens.. Slowly others like android and hopefully also the next Korg products have learned from what apple did with IoS..

Because before the IoS revolution, everything tried to create mini oldfashioned windows interfaces on those touchscreens..

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:19 pm

Sharp wrote:We weren’t arguing.
I got to admit though, I find it fascinating you give Apple so much credit for what they do, and no credit to those who did it all before them.

Regards
Sharp.

I respect all great invetors who invented something good to the world, but unfortionaly with our stupid politics awrything first are put to the military and then little to public.

For example Tesla did so many unique things which even today might look like sciense fiction, but unfortionaly most of his technologies end up on US Top Sicret military projects and even up to this days..

And it is not just Tesla, as i think there are many other prodigies who invented something in the past which might look even today like fantasy or sciense fiction and most of such inventions end up on military.

There was a guy who invented a car engine which works purely on water and he was about to put thouse cars on mass production in US and then he was sued by US goverment and most likely oil companies where involved in this crapp too.
And then the guy sudenly died.

And so many more other examples....

When u say that i did not give credit to that people who invented somthing similar befor Apple, well i cannot know awry person on our planet so they might slept out of my view.
I know just Apple in computer indastry, and i have alot of idias how they could improve, but still i think they are the best out off all computer companies and corporations.If there will be better company then Apple i am with both hands for that.

But unfortionaly i do not know anybody but if u know a company who make better computers then Apple let me know and i will take a look.

Also i really enjoy my iPad even though that i have an old model.
I am with my mother and ant looking to purchase iPhone but unfortionaly right now we did not have enough money.

For example why i think iPhone is better then Android is because all other manufactors plays with specs on sheet, they want to put bigger numbers on sheet then iPhone to make their products to look better for uneduceted people and unfortionaly many people are misinformed.

For example yesterday i was at the store and we wanted to find a price of iPhone 5c and i saw Android phone with 8core cpu.
And the top of the line Apple iPhone is only 2 cores.
But in real life Apple two cores probably 4 time fester then 8 core from Android.
iPhone has 8mp campera but others have probably 16mp, but actualy in real life there are much more things which make great picture and acttualy iPhone 5s camera will give much more better picture then Android 16mp camera and so on.

The same if compare iPad to Android tablet equilants

If to compare software vise, i think iOS is more secure, stable and optimised.
( But i think it is fair to mantion that with curent iOs7 they a bitt mess up stability and my iPad crashes a fwe times a day , mostly if i switch between Apps and Apple admited that and working on this issue.)
Also i think the Apps quality on iOS is most of the time on another ligue then Android apps, because most of Android apps are low quality apps which look like a stached up phone Aps, and i am not even shure that u can find any professional Apps on Android at all. Even Roland who are Windows exclusive , made Editor only for iPad App for their Integra 7 synth rack.

Also Android artificaly put restriction on OS uogrades, and they force u to buy a new device if u want the most current OS, but Apple give u free updates until u device hardwear can keep it.

Actualy i do not like that Apple that they spend time on fighting thouse patent wars, i do think that patents should not even exist because they really slowdown the technical progress.

Ofcause it will get a little sad if u spend alot of time and did a very big work on inventing something and then some company copies it and even do not give a damn to even name u, it will be a little sad, but i think if u invent something u invent for the porpous of improving people life but not for fame so i thing the most importent goal will be succeeded.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:53 pm

Ok you are completely off on many of those observations. Mostly because it's virtually impossible to compare the "speed" of two different operating systems. Also because there is no such thing as an "Android" camera. And thirdly because Apple has one of the worst records in history with being backwards and future compatible. You say Android puts artificial limits on OS compatibility and Apple doesn't, when in effect Android doesn't set any limits at all, even though the various hardware manufacturers may decide to upgrade a device or not. Apps on Android don't look any worse than apps on iPad unless you have a very crappy Android device. And that's exactly the point; Apple only makes premium range devices. They're good, but it's unfair to compare them with low end Android based devices. Apple simply has no products in that range.

As for "professional" apps, I don't really get what you mean there. Android has a wide range of calendar, mail and office apps if that's what you're going for. iOS definitely has the edge in music apps because of CoreAudio and CoreMidi. It's a shame Google hasn't picked up on that. But I wouldn't really call my music apps "professional" apart from one or two. Mostly they're slick looking toys that I could replace with more powerful stuff on my Windows Laptop.

Post by **Sharp** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:41 am

BobTheDog wrote:Apple put a certain polish on things though.

I had CE smartphones for years and they were a bit crap, the iPhone came out and it just worked well, smooth and non complicated.

Yes indeed, had me a Win CE phone too at one point

I found Symbian OS back in those days was pretty alright though. The SONY P900i that I had back then was pretty tricked out for that era. It had an icon based GUI, widgets, multi taksing and so on. Often I'd get out of memory messages on the p900i and I'd have to manually close apps, but those were the fun days when you had to be a geek to even operate one of those phones let alone own one.

Good memories.

Regards
Sharp.

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:32 am

BobTheDog wrote:Apple put a certain polish on things though.

The old 'reality distortion field', as pioneered by the late Steve Jobs.

(Image circa 2011, I think. Of course Steve is no longer with us, and the polish has somewhat worn off a little with the new Tim Cook.)

Tongue firmly in cheek, of course. The Mac Pro does look great. I'm sure a lot of effort has gone into designing every element of it. For me, though, a tower unit gets shoved under a desk and so it doesn't matter what it looks like, as long as it's modular and I can chop and change stuff in it, effectively upgrading it at nominal costs.

That said, if I ever won the lottery I'd probably buy one. And put Windows 8.1 on it.

Post by **Sharp** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:51 am

Hi Bachus
Android is much older than iOS, so Apple didn't come up with interface you give them credit for. It existed in Android before iOS.

Regards
Sharp.

MoonMusic · Post by **MoonMusic** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:09 am

Sharp wrote: I agree, but this design limits this computers use where Apple could have just put all this in a traditional case. It wouldn’t have been as pretty looking, but at least it would have made far more sense from an investment point of view.

Anyone buying this will buy it for all it offers as it stands and the fact that it looks very pretty. That's more than enough for many so I'm sure Apple will do well, but I bet you will see a traditional shaped MAC come out with all the same kind of specs at some point in the near future.
Regards
Sharp.

I couldn't agree more.....I hope they do go back to the traditional route sooner than later.....I don't understand the concept other than trying to push everyone to thunderbolt technology....moon

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:34 am

i am not shure if awrybody saw this video so i post it again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wShNx6cdk_8

Bachus · Post by **Bachus** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:49 pm

Sharp wrote:Hi Bachus
Android is much older than iOS, so Apple didn't come up with interface you give them credit for. It existed in Android before iOS.

Regards
Sharp.

Android first commercial release september 2008, HTC Dream
IoS first commercial release iphone januari 2007

Development of Android started in 2003 and was more open the apples ios development which started somewhere in 2001 when the idea for the iphone was born..

Android is build on top of a Linux kernel...
IoS is build on top of a unix. Kernel....

Early android development looked more like windows mobile.... Only in early 2007 it changed direction towards the touch idea and interface we know from todays phones..

Androids strength and weakness is both in the fact that its much more open then IoS...

Post by **Sharp** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:14 pm

You would have to look at the screen shots from back in those early days.

It's all the same iOS / Andoid. Monkey see monkey do. Same goes for iOS v7. It's straight out of Android.

http://www.zdnet.com/apple-ios-7-androi ... 000016705/

Talking about the OS, did you see the news over on Inforwars ?
NSA has complete control of your iPhone, can activate your microphone and camera

Regards
Sharp.

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:15 pm

tear down of Mac Pro http://www.macrumors.com/2013/12/31/tea ... therboard/

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:25 pm

Sharp wrote:You would have to look at the screen shots from back in those early days.

It's all the same iOS / Andoid. Monkey see monkey do. Same goes for iOS v7. It's straight out of Android.

http://www.zdnet.com/apple-ios-7-androi ... 000016705/

Talking about the OS, did you see the news over on Inforwars ?
NSA has complete control of your iPhone, can activate your microphone and camera

Regards
Sharp.

It is just information which leaked to public, we might not know how terrible are things with Android or any other platforms are.

P.s.
Regarding ur link to screen shots u provided, it has some similarities but it does not look like copycat to me.