Korg Kronos?

CfNorENa · Post by **CfNorENa** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:21 pm

ozy wrote:did somebody say "mass production"?

Quietly remove "Kurzweil PC3" from your signature. Then sell it (again, quietly). Then buy a Kronos. And then (several months later) put it in your signature. No one will notice. I promise.

Akos Janca · Post by **Akos Janca** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:22 pm

cello wrote:
CfNorENa wrote:
cello wrote:But at the end of the day, the Kronos is just a cheap OASYS
With a superior sequencer. And a 30 GB SSD. And a dedicated drum track. And a 4 GB piano.

Sorry, couldn't help myself...
LOL

Obviously apart from THOSE things

Yes. But I still say: let's wait until we hear it, until we try it ourselves. Ads are too similar. Everybody is too excited now.

Rocness · Post by **Rocness** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:30 pm

Akos Janca wrote:
cello wrote:Yep - they've taken the entire OASYS GUI (which was discontinued), then worked on it (which they said they wouldn't do) and turned it into a mass-market machine (which they didn't want do with the O!)...
It sounds too cruel...

Let's hear and see KRONOS personally - only then we can understand the difference.

Your right but I got a feeling Kronos will sound no way near as good as Oasys.
The things that would have made Kronos a winner to me are 3 simple things.
1. Do something with the sequencer we have all been complaining about from day 1. One thing about the Roland Fantom G is the Sequencer is just lovely .
2. WE need Karma 3 to just freshen things up a bit .
3. Why do we have to copy all efx for every sound in combi mode ? It slows
down the production flow.

One thing I do know is , I have a new respect for Yamaha and The Motif . Plus they have Karma 3 . Even with Kronos the Motif XF still lookin pretty.

One thing the Kronos did get right is the drum track function .

Rocness · Post by **Rocness** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:33 pm

costi_ebay wrote:
Miggz McFly wrote:you guys have closed minds if you think this can't make techno

hell i can make techno out of a casio keyboard @ walmart
is not enough to make bullshit techno tracks that remains in your old computer...

tracks have to reach masses (must be signed at labels and played from many DJs)

techno means evolution and the evolution comes not just from the sounds you use and comes also from the workflow you have when you create it...

Your both right

ozy · Post by **ozy** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:33 pm

CfNorENa wrote:Quietly remove "Kurzweil PC3" from your signature. Then sell it (again, quietly). Then buy a Kronos. And then (several months later) put it in your signature. No one will notice. I promise

uhm, let me see: I don't use a sequencer, don't use virtual analogues, don't use HD recording (studio uses it, but not a daw), have no use for samples nor karma, never used an arpegiator in my life...

... should I spend 4 grands for a master keyboard and a Rhodes emulation?

Methinks the PC3 is gonna stay for now. It does that job for 1500 euros.

I was waiting to see if the Kronos could persuade me to sell the ONE digital thing I'd like to see becoming obsolete:

the SIX VL synths I gotta carry around, for a 5000 grands total [used market value] (and no small weight and size

)

If kronos had a brass&wind modeling engine, I'd be evaluating the idea.

But Korg missed this boat again. More and slightty better "falling trombones" samples? No, thanks.

(no breath control either, again. Again!)

One thing I must say: I love the understated look, as much as I hated the "Mercedes benz" grey of the M3.

That's a great idea.

But my new moose friend is here to stay.

CfNorENa · Post by **CfNorENa** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:38 pm

ozy wrote:uhm, let me see: I don't use a sequencer, don't use virtual analogues, don't use HD recording (studio uses it, but not a daw), have no use for samples nor karma, never used an arpegiator in my life...

... should I spend 4 grands for a master keyboard and a Rhodes emulation?

Fair enough. In my juvenile excitement over this -- being, as I am, a long-time user of Korg workstations, and operating in a completely computer-free studio, and seeing something like an "Oasys II" within reach -- I assumed that everyone on the planet would want one. Your reasoning is sound.

Pepperpotty · Post by **Pepperpotty** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:39 pm

ozy wrote: BTW, Pepper:

the answer to your starting question [10 das ago] is:

wait 4 months, buy a Oasys for 2000 gbp

I thought of that already but you can't buy them anywhere in the UK. Unless you're talking about buying one second hand. In which case, they're already selling them for about £1600 but I would only trust a second hand keyboard if it was from a shop with a guarantee.

Rocness · Post by **Rocness** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:40 pm

Looks like I'm headed toward Yamaha CP 1 for rhodes ep sounds since it seems no workstation can get it right .I was hoping Kronos could do it but from what I heard so far

Pepperpotty · Post by **Pepperpotty** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:43 pm

ozy wrote:
Miggz McFly wrote:you guys have closed minds if you think this can't make technohell i can make techno out of a casio keyboard @ walmart
EVERBODY does techno on cheap instruments, probably without even a monitor for earing what he is doing (judging from what techno sounds like)

I thought techno was played mainly on hoovers, microwaves and dishwashers.

Ahh, you are slightly mistaken. For they do indeed use monitors. I believe the standard techno creator uses 12 monitors in total as their ears are damaged from spending days at a time in techno and drum and bass clubs.
Seriously though, have you ever been in to one of those places? I swear it took my ears 3 days just to stop ringing! Lol

Rocness · Post by **Rocness** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:45 pm

CfNorENa wrote:
ozy wrote:uhm, let me see: I don't use a sequencer, don't use virtual analogues, don't use HD recording (studio uses it, but not a daw), have no use for samples nor karma, never used an arpegiator in my life...

... should I spend 4 grands for a master keyboard and a Rhodes emulation?

Fair enough. In my juvenile excitement over this -- being, as I am, a long-time user of Korg workstations, and operating in a completely computer-free studio, and seeing something like an "Oasys II" within reach -- I assumed that everyone on the planet would want one. Your reasoning is sound.

If I didn't have an Oasys I would defiantly look into Kronos but the one thing Kronos help me realize is that the Oasys is The greatest synth workstation ever-made .

kimu · Post by **kimu** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:58 pm

Pepperpotty wrote:
ozy wrote: BTW, Pepper:

the answer to your starting question [10 das ago] is:

wait 4 months, buy a Oasys for 2000 gbp
I thought of that already but you can't buy them anywhere in the UK. Unless you're talking about buying one second hand. In which case, they're already selling them for about £1600 but I would only trust a second hand keyboard if it was from a shop with a guarantee.

here second hand Oasys from private owner are still sold for somthing about 4000-4500 euro... let see if price will go down with kronos available in shop (i do not think)

Synthoid · Post by **Synthoid** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:00 pm

X-Trade wrote:no piano roll then?

Couldn't find a roll, but how about a nice cake?

Davidb · Post by **Davidb** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:00 pm

Sorry guys, but again, according to the screenshots we´ve seen, the SEQUENCER mode in Kronos seems identical to the OASYS´s.
More resolution though, but no piano roll editing, no track view, no bar meters, etc.
Also no drag and drop fuctionality for what it seems...
So no improvements in that area....

I can belive, after all its been said all these years, they make the same mistake again.

Amazing...

CfNorENa · Post by **CfNorENa** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:13 pm

Davidb wrote:Sorry guys, but again, according to the screenshots we´ve seen, the SEQUENCER mode in Kronos seems identical to the OASYS´s.
More resolution though, but no piano roll editing, no track view, no bar meters, etc.
Also no drag and drop fuctionality for what it seems...
So no improvements in that area....

I can belive, after all its been said all these years, they make the same mistake again.

Amazing...

I agree. This could seriously dampen my enthusiasm for this.

cello · Post by **cello** » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:14 pm

Davidb wrote:Sorry guys, but again, according to the screenshots we´ve seen, the SEQUENCER mode in Kronos seems identical to the OASYS´s.
More resolution though, but no piano roll editing, no track view, no bar meters, etc.
Also no drag and drop fuctionality for what it seems...
So no improvements in that area....

I can belive, after all its been said all these years, they make the same mistake again.

Amazing...

Not so much same mistake - but it's seems obvious to me that Korg has simply lifted the OASYS 'system', updated it with new links to new synth engines, added a drum track (lifted from the M3) and the only new thing then is the 'Set List'.

More importantly, Korg said when they discontinued the O, that no further work would be done on OS and functions, etc. It again seems that was somewhat economical with the truth... as the roots of the Kronos is clearly the OASYS.

So if they can do it for Kronos, why can't they do it for the O?