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X-Trade wrote:

cello wrote:How then can you trust that supplier? What are they going to do next year that directly affects the resale value of what you buy now? Think about it a little more

To be fair though, we're buying musical instruments which we should use and love. I don't care about the resale value of my gear. I care about what sounds it makes, and how easy it makes it for me to make music and perform it.

I recall being told (or probably reading somewhere) at some point that the worst thing you can do is sell your gear. Unless it really is duplicated by something you already have.

Completely valid point and I agree wholeheartedly. I adore my O; I will not part with it; every day I want to learn how to use it better; since I was a boy I dreamed of having an instrument like this.

But, it's sad and disappointing that Korg have given O users very little support (compared to M3 users for example) and then say 'now we're going to support new users with a machine that's a copy of your old one. Sorry - you should've waited.... '

I will not let people here forget that Kronos would not have happened if it wasn't for the O - and Korg should be ashamed that they told O users that their product wouldn't be further developed but now choose to launch this 'new' product... Kronos is a 'developed' OASYS - the very thing Korg said they wouldn't do!!!!!!!

Who knows, if they can do it to OASYS users at double the price, then what do they think they can do to Kronos users... (Hmmmm...)

cello wrote:Your point is fair enough - if it was accurate. With the examples you give none of them said 'end of the road; we're not doing this any more, sorry'.

Actually, they kinda did. The Lisa did get a little more refreshing after they came out with the Mac... it actually got one major upgrade which basically converted it from being a Lisa into being a Mac... but it was still gone before long. And I don't think Yamaha did anything more with the GX1 after the CS80.

But it's really a different point. It's one thing to be mad at Korg because you felt your purchase hasn't been properly supported. That's really a different conversation from saying that the Kronos is a ho-hum product. I mean, look at what the Kronos gives you for $3k compared to what that will buy you from Roland or Yamaha. I think that, from that perspective, it is ground-breaking. Within the range of what most people are willing to spend, there hasn't been anything like it.

Isn't it about time for new Kronos forum for all of these posts.

Im an Oasys owner and I was totally disappointed when they discontinued the O. However, I think this is a Masterpiece for those who can now afford to buy into the same level of technology as the O.

I hope this does well for Korg.

I will probably buy an 88key Kronos just for right hand solo work and use the Oasys for all left hand work and Karma.

Billy

X-Trade wrote:My problem is mainly that it is almost exactly the same as the OASYS.
...
But they didn't even carry over key features from the M3 which were good.

I think that first sentence explains the last. The M3 hardware is different from the Oasys hardware which appears to be the foundation of the Kronos. They can't simply "carry over" something that didn't exist in the original... it would have to be a new implementation. The ability to keep and re-use as much as possible from the Oasys is probably part of what allows them to recreate it at this price.

Bald Eagle wrote:Isn't it about time for new Kronos forum for all of these posts.

Sharp (admin) is currently making his way to the NAMM show. He's probably just touched down in California after leaving Ireland earlier today, so he might not be able to access the admin section of the forum for a day or two.

New video

http://www.korg.com/kronos

Here's a teaser video from Sonic State:

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2011/01/ ... os-teaser/

Regarding the apparent 314 MB ROM in the HD-1 engine, I guess a lot of stuff wasn't necessary to implement, as they are done better by the various synth engines.

Well, started on page 38 tonight and took me all day to read through this lot! However, having listened to the demos, and seen the specs (including the "Sequencer"

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS:

I can't for the life of me think what korg hate about sequencers?.

This is what will happen IMO.

OS version 1.01 (or V2) will come out for the KRONOS, and they will implement An OASYS update WITH/along side the KRONOS, since the interface looks "IDENTICAL". So a sequencer update for the KRONOS "should" apply to OASYS Too yes???

Sure hope so.

It's a good keyboard no doubt, and suppose the OASYS never happened, but korg went straight to this from a Korg m3 THAT would be amazing

However.............

Anthonyb

Prediction: over the next few months, the Oasys v. Kronos debates are gonna get ugly.

Poop, I hit the wrong button... move along.

People with Oasys have developed better ears so you can hear bull$hit right away. Oasys owners deserve better but what I heard from Kronos so far they
better hope Kronos sounds better than M3 and forget about achiving an Oasys
sound .

X-Trade wrote:

cello wrote:How then can you trust that supplier? What are they going to do next year that directly affects the resale value of what you buy now? Think about it a little more

To be fair though, we're buying musical instruments which we should use and love. I don't care about the resale value of my gear. I care about what sounds it makes, and how easy it makes it for me to make music and perform it.

cello, I think your bitterness is clouding your judgment. This is how things work in the technology age in which we live, in which everything is obsolete before it's even shipped to stores! I'll have more to add to this in a few.

cello wrote:But, it's sad and disappointing that Korg have given O users very little support (compared to M3 users for example)

A - hem.

What did we M3 users get? Half a Radias on a card and a piddly 300MB expansion with some stripped down orchestral samples from you Big O owners? Oh, and a piano which was nice but not as nice as the original, so KORG had to give that back to us? Meanwhile, you guys got four new synth engines.

Yeah, we're really rolling in goodies here.

cello wrote:I will not let people here forget that Kronos would not have happened if it wasn't for the O - and Korg should be ashamed that they told O users that their product wouldn't be further developed but now choose to launch this 'new' product... Kronos is a 'developed' OASYS - the very thing Korg said they wouldn't do!!!!!!!

Who knows, if they can do it to OASYS users at double the price, then what do they think they can do to Kronos users... (Hmmmm...)

cello, your memory is failing you. KORG most certainly did say they were going to use Oasys technology in future products. This is where both M3 and Radias came from, trimmed down Oasys tech.

Maybe what I'm about to say is how you feel, but I don't want Oasys to be the ultimate and best synth workstation for all time. I want technology to improve and march forward, as long as God keeps blessing human history and holding this troubled world together.

Look, I bought an M3 thinking I was going to get one of the best workstations on the market this side of the Big O for a few years. I found out that what I really wanted was a Kurzweil PC3. And then discovered that the Oasys could be had with some diligent hunting for less than $4500 US. And then Yamaha blows up the Motif huge with a ridiculous amount of wave rom. And then, along comes Kronos, and my M3 looks pretty puny.

But this is what I wanted to see. I want to see something like the Oasys that I can afford. I want KORG to prosper, so they can keep making new wonder goodies for us. And, news flash to you I guess, that means that every few years, our gear will all of a sudden be seriously outdated and wimpy. Did you hear the Triton Studio owners complaining about the M3??

X-Trade wrote:I recall being told (or probably reading somewhere) at some point that the worst thing you can do is sell your gear. Unless it really is duplicated by something you already have.

That would be me. I hated every sale I made, and hope to buy them all back over the coming years, even though I have way too much gear.

I also have something to say to the soft synth guys. If it worked as advertised without latency issues, I'd be all over it. Well, some of it. Frankly, I don't like the sound of most of your toys, and part of it is that you have no real instruments with circuitry and DACs, and your filters in large part are generic things. The only softs I like are the Arturias and a few similar soft synths made by others like Omnisphere by Spectrasonics. But I couldn't play the Modular Moog V, so I bouty Arturia's Origin hardware synth.

I prefer instruments with individual character, unique output circuitry, fed by cables into an expensive analog console with old analog EQs and summing amps. I'm going to be a hardware guy till the day I die, because all these hunks of metal have different character and a sound to them. It's slight but it's there. It's why I still use my old antique Ensoniqs, rather than throwing those old fossils on ebay. Of course, another factor is that I write prog rock and weird old pre-punk Brit rock stuff in the vein of Peter Hammill and Roxy Music. If I did club music, I'd probably have a Radias, a Virus, and a slew of soft synths on a laptop too.

Different strokes, guys. Your softs haven't made everything else obsolete by a long shot, and neither has hardware.