Whats missing in KRONOS..

EXer · Post by **EXer** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:01 am

What's missing in Kronos:

¤ high quality multisamples of all stops (registers) of a French harpsichord (Taskin or Blanchet): lower 8', upper 8', 4', 8'+8', 8'+4', lute stop, and key release
¤ an emulation (physical model, not samples) of a Farfisa Combo organ
¤ an emulation (physical model, not samples) of a Vox Continental organ
¤ an accurate model of the original Moog transistor ladder LP filter in AL-1
¤ an accurate model of an Oberheim multi mode filter in AL-1
¤ an emulation of a Korg PS-3300 (who cares about a Polysix?)
¤ more RAM for the user samples (270 Mb is not enough!)
¤ all the features of the M3 sequencer
¤ the possibility to fully edit Karma GEs from the panel (i.e. without having to use a computer)
¤ a angled (not tiltable) screen that can be read and used conveniently when the instrument is lying in the lower tier of a kb stand
¤ a silver case (to my opinion a Korg high end workstation should keep the classic looks of a Trinity)

ozy · Post by **ozy** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:43 am

EXer wrote:What's missing in Kronos:
¤ an accurate model of the original Moog transistor ladder LP filter in AL-1
¤ an accurate model of an Oberheim multi mode filter in AL-1

is that true?

EXer wrote:¤ a silver case (to my opinion a Korg high end workstation should keep the classic looks of a Trinity)

no way.

I survived 15 years of Mercedes-benz lookalike synths (with the occasional ferrari),

I sat tight, I painted them, I avoided them, sometimes I endured the nausea,

and now, thank god, we are back to wood and black metal (clean and cleanable, ergonomic, not distracting, stage-light neuter).

Organic colors are here to stay.

Vadim · Post by **Vadim** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:39 pm

EXer wrote: ¤ a silver case (to my opinion a Korg high end workstation should keep the classic looks of a Trinity)

Korg Trinity is silver color, but it's sound is Gold!

Strange that Trinity's ACCESS, MOSS and Solo-Tri engines or at least the sounds of them, still not recreated into software/plug-in form or into Korg's newer workstations.

robinkle · Post by **robinkle** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:29 pm

I came up with something. A waveform editor. A touch display can reveal new features. Imagine a grid where you draw a waveform the same way you connect cables on the MS-20ex. And being able to add harmonics, noise and complexity. Make user banks for custom waveforms that is accessible to to the AL-1, HD-1, MOD-7 and STR-1s oscillators and LFOs. Would be awesome I think.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:43 pm

Vadim wrote:
EXer wrote: ¤ a silver case (to my opinion a Korg high end workstation should keep the classic looks of a Trinity)
Korg Trinity is silver color, but it's sound is Gold!

Strange that Trinity's ACCESS, MOSS and Solo-Tri engines or at least the sounds of them, still not recreated into software/plug-in form or into Korg's newer workstations.

HD-1 is an updated "ACCESS."
MOSS and Solo-Tri were stripped-down versions of original OASYS algorithms. A few of the less-used of these (brass, reed, bowed string) are not included in the OASYS and KRONOS, but most of the rest of them are both present and much improved.

Best regards,

Dan

Shakil · Post by **Shakil** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:11 am

danatkorg wrote: HD-1 is an updated "ACCESS."
MOSS and Solo-Tri were stripped-down versions of original OASYS algorithms. A few of the less-used of these (brass, reed, bowed string)

I think the Brass, Reed, and Bowed String models are very frequently used in the East...

peter_schwartz · Post by **peter_schwartz** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:50 pm

EXer wrote:¤ an accurate model of an Oberheim multi mode filter in AL-1

That's definitely in there. I made one!

It's AL-1, and the sound is called SEM-blance. It recreates the LP, Notch, and HP settings of the SEM. I think there might even be a bandpass function, but I don't have the unit in front of me so don't hold me to that one. But with the controls you can sweep between LP, Notch, and HP filters.

ozy · Post by **ozy** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:24 pm

Shakil wrote:I think the Brass, Reed, and Bowed String models are very frequently used in the East...

yes. in Milan (east of Turin), in Vienna (east of Zurich) and in Madrid (East of Lisbon)

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:31 pm

robinkle wrote:I came up with something. A waveform editor. A touch display can reveal new features. Imagine a grid where you draw a waveform the same way you connect cables on the MS-20ex. And being able to add harmonics, noise and complexity. Make user banks for custom waveforms that is accessible to to the AL-1, HD-1, MOD-7 and STR-1s oscillators and LFOs. Would be awesome I think.

I think Korg even did this on the old DSS-1

robinkle · Post by **robinkle** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:46 pm

Scott wrote:
robinkle wrote:I came up with something. A waveform editor. A touch display can reveal new features. Imagine a grid where you draw a waveform the same way you connect cables on the MS-20ex. And being able to add harmonics, noise and complexity. Make user banks for custom waveforms that is accessible to to the AL-1, HD-1, MOD-7 and STR-1s oscillators and LFOs. Would be awesome I think.
I think Korg even did this on the old DSS-1

I dunno how it worked though. Hand drawn waveforms on such an old synth. This time we have a display, and Korg have yet to use the potential of the huge colour touch display.

Think about it. You shape your own waveform on the display, and you manage to use it as LFO or Oscillator, you could have great fun with that. Even using it on a MOD-7 operator could help you make even more different sounds, and you get to put your signature on the patch from scratch. If you could blend in noise, curves, fatness on your waveform editing, you could even make LFOs more musical, especially when you sync the LFO to the tempo clock.

ozy · Post by **ozy** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:50 pm

robinkle wrote:You shape your own waveform on the display, and you manage to use it as LFO or Oscillator, you could have great fun with that.

the idea generally speaking is nice.

In practical terms, the oasys, kronos' or m3's screen resolution is very low,

compared to the complexity of today's waveforms

I mean: any waveform designed on such a screen would be way less complex than the dumbest "alto sax" sample in the m3.

Now if you talked about envelopes...

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:56 pm

robinkle wrote:I dunno how it worked though. Hand drawn waveforms on such an old synth. This time we have a display, and Korg have yet to use the potential of the huge colour touch display.

You would slider the slider up and down for a couple seconds. You could get some really interesting sounds that way. I actually really liked this feature.

robinkle · Post by **robinkle** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:04 pm

I see what you mean Ozy. If I wanted such a complex sound, it's easier using samples. But for simple waveforms, the feature would be interesting. Most synth sounds are based on Sawtooth, square and triangle waves, wich are simpler then what you could draw. So the hand drawn waveforms could be a bit more complex then those. If I remember correctly, the Minimoog had a Triangle wave with a special tip on the end. Making that would be cool. Make waveform shaped like a smiley face.. See how that sounds. The more I get to play around with the sound I'm making, the more fun it will be, for me at least.

McHale, since Kronos sort of is the compilation of the Korg technology through the years, this could be a feature Korg have forgotten.

burningbusch · Post by **burningbusch** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:24 pm

The screen resolution on the Kronos is a significant improvement over previous Korg screens:

Kronos: 800 X 600, 8" screen
OASYS: 640 x 480, 10.4" screen
M3: 320 X 240, 5.7" screen
Roland G: 800 x 480, 8.5" screen
iPad: 1024 x 768, 9.7" screen

It would be interesting if Korg could provide the pixel per inch (ppi) on the Kronos. It's not going to match the iPad's 132 ppi but it's going to be very good--the best in any workstation keyboard.

Busch.

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:36 pm

There are LOTS of features through the years that they have left out of the Kronos. I used to assume that newer synths would have all the features (especially the easy ones) from previous synths. Nope.

Here are a few easy to implement features that come to mind:

The simplicity and power of the DW-8000 arp: It was powerful enough that the manual called it a sequencer.

The Chord Memory feature: you'd be surprised how neat this feature is.

Live Mono/Poly switching: When you switched from poly to mono, it layered and slightly detuned all the voices. This is one of my most missed features of the DW-8000.

Dual Arps (ala Triton/M50): Karma is great and powerful and I do use it from time to time but it is NOT useful as an ARP. It's just not.

The "Analog Tune" (simulates oscillator drift) setting that the RADIAS has: Should be a standard parameter on all engines as it makes a huge difference when trying to create analog-like sounds without using a VA.

Pitch Shift with the vocoder: They had it 20+ years ago on the DVP-1. That's the last time they included that as a feature.

All of those features should be available and standard across all engines. There are a lot more things through the years I've found myself scratching my head why they didn't get carried over but those above are not complicated features.