Korg Kronos?

Akos Janca · Post by **Akos Janca** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:03 am

Naviára wrote:maybe if you exchange the HD from the O with the Kronos SSD, it will boot well!! ... someone has to test is...

A.

By the way, there was a thread somewhere about exchanging the OASYS hard drive with an SSD. I don't remember the result, they probably didn't succeed.

billysynth1 · Post by **billysynth1** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:04 am

Definately scripted.
Listen to the main 54 minute Korg Namm video.
Mr Rudess claims he uses a Korg instrument in DreamTheatre but not an Oasys. The word Oasys does not come out of his mouth.

Vas

Naviára · Post by **Naviára** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:08 am

vEddY wrote:
Naviára wrote: The overall difference isn't much (compared to a D510 Dualcore Atom 1,60Ghz) - The Kronos specifications shows exactly the same performance like Oasys, so the P4 should be fast enough for all the improvements the Kronos has. The interesting part is that the Kronos uses the same PC-based setup like the Oasys does, in this way, porting the OS is just a matter of configuration...
Binary compatibility of the underlying Linux OS? sure, that's a nobrainer. But you're missing the fact that Kronos and OASYS probably don't have the same hardware inside. And by hardware, I mean - filters, DSP's, and stuff like that. I'm actually pretty sure they don't. So there would have to be workarounds, which waste CPU cycles, etc. In a tightly integrated system, that's a no-go.

Don't misunderstand me, OASYS owner here. Would love to see some OASYS improvements for sure. But I sincerely doubt it's gonna happen. Which is the reason for what I said in a different thread - I will not buy Kronos on a whim. If it has the functions that I need - some upgrades that I feel should be there, complete DAW integration (which it seems it have albeit 24bit/48kHz and I work with 24/96), and a 100% compatiblity with OASYS data, I might think about. I believe that most of the other OASYS owners will have similar approach - principles and cryteria that need to be met.

I agree with you - the new hardware is different (Audio I/O - the controller) but I'm really sure that the old OASYS code and information about the O hardware is still present in the Kronos OS, all the other stuff (synthengines, effects, filters etc) are virtual - in this way they could provide the O with new synthengines without changing the hardware... they could do even the same with the Kronos - because it's the same Oasys we know, they just named it different and put it in another case.. but it's still the Oasys!

greetings
A.

Bachus · Post by **Bachus** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:10 am

Still a shame they choose an Atom instead of a laptop I5 version, but if it does the job then i guess its okay..... But if it runs intoo polyphony stuttering issues i'd have prefered a $200 higher price tag for the more powerfull hardware..

I am also wondering if there will ever be an Update to KARMA 3.0 if the differences are worthwile and the demand by the customers are loud enough. After all this is just a software update...

Most in vain i am with Korgs PC implementation.. if people want it to be an integral part of the studio, is it possible to set my Korg up so my PC sees it as a VST? Only 2 audio channels between PC and KRONOS might be not enough for those people that want to reroute their Korg sounds through VST effects. Next to that i'd have prefered a gigabit ethernet connection above a USB 2 connection...

And maybe some Remote software on PC's/DAW/laptop that allows more conrtoll over the kronos onboard sequencer with thing like a pianoroll (which works much better on a huge screen enyway.

For live use in combination with PC software it would be awesome to controll my Ableton and cubase from the screen of the Kronos. Just a remote desktop running on the Kronos screen could be enough for use in live situations where a big PC display is not wanted. So i can controll my Sequencers or even open VST popups on my Kronos screen.

Maybe i have missed some and things like this have allready been shown or announced... so in that case please enlighten me....

And with those Youtube's around it has me wondering if the new beasty has the same soundquallity and clarrity as the Oasys? Or is the actuall digital to analog sound conversion more on the level of an M3?

billysynth1 · Post by **billysynth1** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:16 am

Stephen Kay mentioned something about talking to korg and version 3 Karma...no definate answer was given...but he did say anything is possible.

Well if the Kronos is upgradable then they might add the iElectribe to it?

Billy

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:17 am

Akos Janca wrote: By the way, there was a thread somewhere about exchanging the OASYS hard drive with an SSD. I don't remember the result, they probably didn't succeed.

Didn't try it, but knowing that OASYS generates licenses for synth engines from ethernet LAN MAC on OASYS motherboard, it definitely wouldn't be impossible. What's questionable is how much gain would it mean since the hard drive controller on that mobo and "drivers" used for it in the OASYS OS aren't all that fast.

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:23 am

Bachus wrote:Still a shame they choose an Atom instead of a laptop I5 version, but if it does the job then i guess its okay..... But if it runs intoo polyphony stuttering issues i'd have prefered a $200 higher price tag for the more powerfull hardware..

I would stipulate that:
1) there's no need for i5 and that even if it there one would exist, i3 would've been more then enough in those cases you're mentioning.
2) it would've been next to impossible to implement that as up 'til a couple of days ago, core i3's were in the 65-75W range, and core i5's in the 73-95W TDP range. That would've been impossible to incorporate in a product like Kronos. Too much cooling needs, different PSU probably,... it would drive the price up by a lot.
3) mobile SKU's from the Core ix generation wouldn't also be feasible as there are no mobile-on-desktop boards for the ix generation that you could use. And even if and when somebody produces them, they would be 10 times more expensive as a solution - without any real benefit as resources would've been heavily unutilized all the time.

So it's logical that it's Atom CPU in there.

billysynth1 · Post by **billysynth1** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:29 am

I wonder when the manual for the Kronos will become available from Korg site...probably most of it deciphered from the oasys manual so it wouldnt be a big job for them.

Billy

Bigs · Post by **Bigs** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:43 am

Bachus wrote:Still a shame they choose an Atom instead of a laptop I5 version, but if it does the job then i guess its okay..... But if it runs intoo polyphony stuttering issues i'd have prefered a $200 higher price tag for the more powerfull hardware..

Don't worry, the Atom just runs the OS and the user interface.. most if not all audio processing is done in dedicated DSP hardware, just like on the Oasys. That's why the Kronos OS would be no use on the Oasys (if you could even get it running): the audio hardware will probably be totally different.

Bigs · Post by **Bigs** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:46 am

billysynth1 wrote:Definately scripted.
Listen to the main 54 minute Korg Namm video.
Mr Rudess claims he uses a Korg instrument in DreamTheatre but not an Oasys. The word Oasys does not come out of his mouth.

Vas

I'm a big JR fan, but the Korg PR talk he gives in that video scares me

vEddY · Post by **vEddY** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:47 am

billysynth1 wrote:I wonder when the manual for the Kronos will become available from Korg site...probably most of it deciphered from the oasys manual so it wouldnt be a big job for them.
Billy

ctrl-h - OASYS - tab - Kronos?

that's what you had in mind?

Megakazbek · Post by **Megakazbek** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:10 am

Bigs wrote:Don't worry, the Atom just runs the OS and the user interface.. most if not all audio processing is done in dedicated DSP hardware, just like on the Oasys.

Stop spreading stupid myths. There are no dedicated DSPs for audio processing on Oasys/Kronos, all synthesis/processing/etc is done on Intel CPU. It was confirmed multiple times by guys from Korg .

Naviára · Post by **Naviára** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:12 am

Bigs wrote:
Bachus wrote:Still a shame they choose an Atom instead of a laptop I5 version, but if it does the job then i guess its okay..... But if it runs intoo polyphony stuttering issues i'd have prefered a $200 higher price tag for the more powerfull hardware..
Don't worry, the Atom just runs the OS and the user interface.. most if not all audio processing is done in dedicated DSP hardware, just like on the Oasys. That's why the Kronos OS would be no use on the Oasys (if you could even get it running): the audio hardware will probably be totally different.

and I'm sure all the engines will run on the CPU itself, not on any DSP. I remember a thread in the Oasys form, where someone tried to exchange the motherboard of the O against a Core2 to raise polyphony count, but unfortunatly the programmers locked the polyphony count in the OS itself.

Even if it's all DSP based: like mentioned before - they took the original Oasys OS and added a few more things, even if the hardware changed, the information of the O hardware is still present, the OS has only be configured back to run with the O hardware... maybe a job for a few days (include testing).... but nothing impossible for the Korg programmers.

If SSD is not working in the O, even the HDD is still fast enough to stream a 4 GB piano...

greetings
A.

klarnet basowy · Post by **klarnet basowy** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:20 am

t_tangent wrote:
Summer2000 wrote:Not sure if you guys have seen this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/user/KorgUSAVide ... HV3rnkGt3E
Thanks for the link. Some great performances as well. Cheers

Great! Really a great workstation.

But...
All the "other" engines (AL-1, MS20, VPM, MOD7, etc.) are wonderful, but the strings of the HD-1, still that cheasy Korg string sound... Why these strings are still inferior to the strings of a Kurz PC3 (64MB of total ROM)?

And hope that this time GE will be editable directly from the keyboard (i.e. I can create my own arps without buying Karma software).

peter_schwartz · Post by **peter_schwartz** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:34 am

Just a quick in-and-out to say "hi". Nice meeting you Sina, and thanks for the kind words about my demo. Sharp, I'm doing the 5 PM demo on Fri and Sat, so if you're around, please introduce yourself.

Regards,

Peter