Korg Kronos?

[ozy]

this thread just won't die.

a full kronos section was started, but this thread has taken a life of his own.

I created a monster

Sharp, don't close it, just move it to the right section in case

[ozy]

Strange. Why login and post "Hi" IFFF you already met the person and already greeted him???

and why, as they say in Italy,

"non ci facciamo un bel piatto di succulenti cazzi nostri?"

(translated more or less in "why don't we mind our effing business, dressed in sauce and barbecued?". Mahhh, there's nothing like Italian for saying "bafangu" in quick and effective ways).

I think peter is entitled to greeting whoever he pleases

[Hedegaard]

But its probably not even Peter, that was the point....

[Hedegaard]

Oh...and I wonder how long it will be before Sina will get his future Kronos stolen?

Guesses anyone?
1 day
6 months
1 year
????

[Bachus]

this thread just won't die.

a full kronos section was started, but this thread has taken a life of his own.

I created a monster

Sharp, don't close it, just move it to the right section in case

Well its an Epic threath both in the number of discussions as in the number of posts >1250 as in the number of views >72000 as in the number of useless comments..

Personally i still want to know more about the cooperation between this beast and a Computer.... Nothing yet about the software capabillities and the remapping of keys sliders and knobs to controll Ableton/Cubase/Vts's

[Hedegaard]

I'm kind of contemplating if I should say this but, we need Akos to be at NAMM and offer HIS insight about the Kronos first hand because:

1-Truthful
2-Dry facts
3-A little dab of optimism
4-Some more dry facts
5-Non parlitan
6-Objective opinions
7-Some more dryness



Akos! Your opinion please?

[AnthonyB]

this thread just won't die.

and whos to blame for that


one thing i haven't seen mentioned is "boot-up" time. Hmmm, my OASYS Takes 2-3 minutes, and if i want to to a quick test/piano scale practice before bed, its not that convenient to wait this long for that - so i just use my triton Studio.

Talking of my Triton studio - it's getting a bit dated now, and needs an upgrade to tandem along side my OASYS. hmmm i wonder what that shall be?

One can only choose but wonder.....

[Akos Janca]

Sorry, I'm not a psychiatrist.

[Akos Janca]

You can find my opinion in many posts. KRONOS is great and deserves big success. As a musician I send my warmest regards to Korg and wish all the best.

[synthguy]

Long, long multipost coming.

I wish I could go to NAMM and give you guys a hands on report, because I'm familiar with dozens and dozens of synths, and have no particular bias - except an undying love for Ensoniq. If anyone could give you guys a good unvarnished report, it would be me. Maybe next year, Sharp could sponsor me? Anyhow...

Hmmmm... no mention of a vocoder. I'm assuming that's part of AL-1?

Also, why can't they put a HUGE ribbon on something like this?

I imagine the vocoder is in the effects section. The manual should tell all when it comes online. I'm with you on the ribbon controller too. A nice big one like the K2600 has would be perfect! I wonder if Kurzweil's ribbon accessory would work...

can you confirm if it has aftertouch!!!!!!

YES!!!!!!!!!!! (monophonic)

D'OH!

KORG, one of these years, you have got to implement that poly aftertouch! My TS-10 keybed is getting old and stiff.

I'm a little bit worried about all of these 9 engines.

It seems that a new synth these days, it takes an exponential amount of time to get to know the synth, compared to the old days of the 90's which had only 1 engine and a few things, compared to synths of today.

Because of the posibilities available, noone will really delve into the depths of the instruments at hand and I fear that the world will turn into:

Preset Playing Potheads!

You see this is where I think you're wrong. Something that deep (Yet seems intuitive) is BEGGING to be programmed. I mean really, how long would it take you to run out of ideas for new sounds?

Well. Hedegaard has a point. Only a portion of us program our own sounds, and one big reason is the quality of sounds that people like Jack Hotop and the rest of the KORG Sound Design Team load into these KORGs. Partly. I have a problem overwriting the patches on all my KORGs because... well, they sound so darn GOOD! Why take the time to come up with a patch when these synths are loaded with such great stuff?

The other part is that these instruments are very complicated. Each voice/part/layer in a typical modern synth patch has around one hundred parameters! Even if you know what you're doing with all those numbers, that's a lot of programming. It's tedious and time consuming. And if you don't know what to do when you open up that editor for the first time, most players close it immediately. When I mention things like filter types and slopes, or LFO mod, or envelope key tracking or waveshaping or whatever, many player's eyes glaze over. Or they post that they are. With stuff like FM or the Kurzweil VAST engine, these folk wouldn't know what to do with it.

I learned about synthesis on an old PAIA modular synth and a cheezy Yamaha CS-50, so I grew up on old style synths without patch memories. Every sound I got came about because I took the time to voice the thing, and I had to learn a lot of tricks to make that thin CS-50 sound good. But I learned a lot about voicing from these old toys, and from there, doing a lot of trial and error with the PAIA to learn how all those synth sounds everyone used were made. I discovered how to simulate guitar feedback before the net existed to ask advice on it. So when I get my hands on any of these new wonder toys, I know what to do with it. And I really enjoy patch creation almost as much as I do composing, plus having unique signature sounds is what it's all about.

Kronos is going to be even more intimidating than a Kurzweil, because of those nine synth engines, especially MOD-7 and STR-1. I program more than nine instruments myself, including an old Yamaha V-50, so I'm mostly up on FM. I can hardly wait to get under the hood with this thing. But for the typical keyboardist, this nine-engined monster will make them afraid of that edit screen.

For me and you other sound designers like me, the Kronos is going to be an endless well of inspiration and sound creation. For the rest of us, a great preset machine, and an awesome board to buy patches for.

I just like to say Congratulations to korg ..to all the guys on the forum and all korg fans ..and the guys who will become fans of korg after kronos is realesed..sure it's not the 1st time korg realese perfect gear ..but it been a long time since korg realsed a groundbreaking gear..kronos its not just another workstation..its a work station that will set the new standardds...

perfect for who?!?

the fresh new standards from 2005 ))))))))))

in this field is where I appreciate Korg now, they know how to make business and can sell even a xylophone as groundbreaking gear if they want to ))))))))

We don't all own an Oasys, so for the rest of us, this makes our keyboard arsenals pretty much obsolete. So for us? Yes, game changing, groundbreaking. All kinds of groundbreaking.

I saw the KRONOS today and MY GOD! It sounds AS good, if not BETTER than the OASYS.

(gush)

I am BEYOND blown away! I am getting one the SECOND it comes out!

(excited)

The new engines were BEYOND amazing! The SGX-1 is making me want to get RID of my 2 V-Pianos! It's THAT good!

It's the OASYS Reborn! $3800 for an 88-Note KRONOS with NINE Synth Engines, and NINE EXs Libraries?! ARE YOU KIDING ME?!

(enthused)

Don't get me wrong here, because the OASYS is still King, but this is in another league! There are SO many advantages over the OASYS though that if any OASYS user had BOTH, they'd not only compliment each other, amazingly well, BUT! They'd COMPLETE each other as well!

(irrational)

But I gotta tell you, I am MORE exited about KRONOS than I was with the OASYS back in 2005, because of how they were able to pull off what's essentially the SAME thing on STEROIDS AND price it like the Triton Studios!!!

WOW!

This is THE BEST year EVER for me!

Same here, dude.

I'm not sure how the new K would stack up beside a Big O. If it sounds as good as an Oasys, awesome! I will be well pleased. If it sounds a little better than my M3, I'll still be happy. But I have a feeling that KORG haven't skimped on the output converters, and I'm going to be smiling when I plug it in for the first time.

This is kind of a dream come true for me, literally. I've had quite a few dreams in which I'm at music stores looking for that ultimate, ideal synth, and usually it's some kind of new Ensoniq, even though they've been defunct for about ten years. But what I dream up looks a lot like the Kronos.

Coincidence? I think not.

by realesing kronos at starting price for about 3000 usd in usa .. ithink that kurzwill guys packing their bags

I think Motif guys are packing even faster(or should be, if it wasn't so overrated). Kurz at least have their VAST, while Motif's programmability is as dull, straightfrorward, stiff and plain as it gets. I was just getting PC3, but fortunately I waited NAMM. Now I'll get Kronos first, and PC3 later...or wait until Kurzweil introduces VAST-able station, with an interface to get something done in the VASTnes of its engine. VAST is brilliant, and I want it so bad, but nobody uses it for anything other than bragging about having it.

Well now, some of us actually program our own Kurzes.

I'm like you, intending to buy a PC3 but it got so late in the year and then Christmas ate all my money, so I'm glad I waited. I think the ideal combo would be a Kronos - 88 key for the piano players, and then a PC3(K). My K2000 Rack is getting so old, and the PC3 sounds so good, that I'm going to make a serious effort to get both of them this year.

[Ksynth]

Not sure if you guys have seen this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/user/KorgUSAVide ... HV3rnkGt3E

Thanks for the link. Some great performances as well. Cheers

Great! Really a great workstation.


And hope that this time GE will be editable directly from the keyboard (i.e. I can create my own arps without buying Karma software).

I doubt that as I think I read Stephen Kay's response somewhere in Karmalabs Forum saying it would not be possible without the software.
However you can probably program your own arps in the various modules like the Polysix.

And if you combine two or more such programs each with their own arps ......?

[ozy]

this thread just won't die.

and whos to blame for that

[Vadim]

any videos anywhere on how Kronos integrates into daw as vst atleast? since korg didn't announce trinity vsti

[Timo]

any videos anywhere on how Kronos integrates into daw as vst atleast? since korg didn't announce trinity vsti

Why would you need a Trinity VSTi if you had a Kronos?!

Not that I would sell my Trinity to (even partially) fund a Kronos, though. The Trinity, along with my Virus, is strictly "off-limits".

[MoonMusic]

Definately scripted.
Listen to the main 54 minute Korg Namm video.
Mr Rudess claims he uses a Korg instrument in DreamTheatre but not an Oasys. The word Oasys does not come out of his mouth.

Vas

I noticed that....I also noticed he said that this piano sound was the best sounding piano he's ever played in a *KORG* instrument....Immediately I wondered what he thinks is the best sounding sampled piano instrument....Probably something in the software realm......Not a big deal though because this piano sounds great!