New Kronos features for older Kronos?

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:29 pm

I'm confused now but I'll definitely test before disagreeing with you again - wisdom through experience

LivePsy · Post by **LivePsy** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:41 pm

I wonder if there's a subtle difference here. I am assuming that we are in combi mode, changing to prog mode for full editing and returning to combi mode to the *same* combi. David actually said

Now go to *a* Combi that uses that program.

which sounds like changing to Combi mode and selecting a different combi.

Dan's statements make sense, that a combi does not contain a program nor does it use the parameters stored in the PCG. It uses parameters loaded into the buffer because the combi track refers to that program.

Is changing the combi causing the difference?

B

Dniss · Post by **Dniss** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:42 pm

danatkorg wrote:See my previous post. Edits to Programs are reflected immediately in Combis. Tone Adjust settings in the Combi may mask this.

Not the CX-3, I know that for a fact for running into this problem head on this WE.

Changed the drawbars, saved the prgm, changes weren't present in the combi. It's pretty obvious too.

But I didn't install the latest patch thought.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:52 pm

Dniss wrote:
danatkorg wrote:See my previous post. Edits to Programs are reflected immediately in Combis. Tone Adjust settings in the Combi may mask this.
Not the CX-3, I know that for a fact for running into this problem head on this WE.

Changed the drawbars, saved the prgm, changes weren't present in the combi. It's pretty obvious too.

But I didn't install the latest patch thought.

Note this sentence: "Tone Adjust settings in the Combi may mask this."

Drawbars are in the CX-3's Tone Adjust assignments by default. In a Combi, this will mask changes to the drawbars at the Program level. Removing the Tone Adjust assignments from the Combi will eliminate the masking; re-loading the Tone Adjust settings from the Program will bring in the Program's settings.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:20 am

LivePsy wrote:I wonder if there's a subtle difference here. I am assuming that we are in combi mode, changing to prog mode for full editing and returning to combi mode to the *same* combi. David actually said
Now go to *a* Combi that uses that program.
which sounds like changing to Combi mode and selecting a different combi.

Dan's statements make sense, that a combi does not contain a program nor does it use the parameters stored in the PCG. It uses parameters loaded into the buffer because the combi track refers to that program.

Is changing the combi causing the difference?

B

A reasonable hypothesis. Just to make sure, I tried it out and confirmed that this works properly as well.

geoelectro · Post by **geoelectro** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:30 am

I've just started to notice my piano has started sounding different in my combi's. Going to the original program it sounds right. I tried reloading it in the combi slot and no difference. I built a new combi and it sounds right. Apparently I have saved some kind of changes in those combi's that have altered the sound.

So, is there a way to fix this without remaking the combi's?

Geo

bsbsantos · Post by **bsbsantos** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:31 am

I've tested it on my Kronos and confirmed what DanatKorg is saying.

A change in a Program is reflected immediately on all combis using that program, even before saving the program.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:56 am

geoelectro wrote:I've just started to notice my piano has started sounding different in my combi's. Going to the original program it sounds right. I tried reloading it in the combi slot and no difference. I built a new combi and it sounds right. Apparently I have saved some kind of changes in those combi's that have altered the sound.

So, is there a way to fix this without remaking the combi's?

Geo

Three possibilities come to mind: KARMA, Tone Adjust, and effects. All can be copied from the Program to the Combi, if desired.

geoelectro · Post by **geoelectro** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:33 am

Thanks Dan,

I've looked at those. The sound is very compressed and thin. No dynamics. If I hit the keys real hard, it just sounds like the velocity has hit a ceiling and gets thinner. I've noticed that turning on my Yamaha P-80 after Kronos is up causes some strange changes to a combi. I may have saved a combi with some of these changes that has spread by copying to other combi's.

Geo

neomad · Post by **neomad** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:11 am

Just a few words: thanks Korg.

I've been very rude regarding the sequencer features & 64 bit integration last years, but I admit that Korg do well sustaining original and X users and improving this wonderful instrument.

Thanks for free update !
Regards

BillW · Post by **BillW** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:23 pm

danatkorg wrote:
Dniss wrote:
danatkorg wrote:See my previous post. Edits to Programs are reflected immediately in Combis. Tone Adjust settings in the Combi may mask this.
Not the CX-3, I know that for a fact for running into this problem head on this WE.

Changed the drawbars, saved the prgm, changes weren't present in the combi. It's pretty obvious too.

But I didn't install the latest patch thought.
Note this sentence: "Tone Adjust settings in the Combi may mask this."

Drawbars are in the CX-3's Tone Adjust assignments by default. In a Combi, this will mask changes to the drawbars at the Program level. Removing the Tone Adjust assignments from the Combi will eliminate the masking; re-loading the Tone Adjust settings from the Program will bring in the Program's settings.

That's what was happening to me too. Thanks for clearing that up, Dan.

neomad · Post by **neomad** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:13 pm

In my beloved Alesis Fusion, there is a function to edit programs into Combis and Song mode without affecting original programs. You can have only 8 slots if I remember well. You can select parameter & value for any slot (OSC1 attack, offset, filter, etc.)

The way is quite simple: a filter (or interface or pre patch module or...) inserted between combi and program. In this case, patch remain unchanged but is controlled by pre patch instructions.

Note on -> Pre patch module into Combi (example CC07, value 103) -> patch sound.

Anyway, I do thank Korg to include the edit from Combi/Song. Is a good step forward

metallo · Post by **metallo** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:19 pm

Here we are:

http://www.korg.com/us/news/2014/111802/

Free upgrade to 3.0 for all kronos users including the SGX-2 premium piano sound engine and the new set list screen and 49$ (introductory price, 99$ normal price) for the new EXs 19 KApro Private Collection.

Great

SoundsOfPlanet · Post by **SoundsOfPlanet** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:37 pm

S U P E R

qayqaywsx · Post by **qayqaywsx** » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:13 pm

Free upgrade to 3.0 for all kronos users including the SGX-2 premium piano sound engine and the new set list screen and 49$ (introductory price, 99$ normal price) for the new EXs 19 KApro Private Collection.

Thank you Korg that's a really fair deal.
Of course I'm not sure, but i feel that Dan had a lot of impact to this decision.
Thank you Dan !

If not, thank you any way for you good support here.