OS Swap done. with video

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:00 am

Funny you should mention that, I did the mod to my SP808 as well way back when

pauloapo · Post by **pauloapo** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:06 pm

Ted3000 wrote: If Korg was actually planning to do something like this (or offer an update that keeps things separte but adds cool new features) they might feel the need to do it sooner rather than later. That's not a disaster for anyone.

If they DID plan go dual boot, then they have taken way too long with no communication, and left the back door open with the simple header code tweak right there for people to experiment with. The law of human nature guarantees someone will try it eventually. People are impatitient in the face of silence.

A lot of people won't touch this hack but are now excited to see what Korg does to trump it. Free publicity!

Korg's silence in handling the electribe gets very annoying at times.

Personally, I had mine in storage for maybe a month before OS 1.10 was out, mostly because I feared support for it was already discontinued. At the very least, I would appreciate an official signal from Korg that this machine is still being supported.

Compare this to the eagerness elektron or dave smith generate when presenting their development process for updates that are due months ahead.

My understanding, as an admitted layman, is that the ARM platform Korg chose for the Electribe makes it very flexible, and at the same time, easy to port to the diversity of more powerful processors under the same architectures, so the future possibilities could be exciting. Sadly, we are kept in the dark and have no idea.

It's the weird speculation ensued at every step that makes bad publicity.

It's not even about Korg representatives giving us face time. It's about giving us a straight stance on this product that feels unfinished.

musicmagus · Post by **musicmagus** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:17 pm

Elektron doesn't tell the customer when an update to any of their hardware boxes is due.
You must be thinking of overbridge, and that's software.
Ask any octatrack owner how 'eager' they are for an update.

pauloapo · Post by **pauloapo** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:49 pm

Yes, I meant Overbridge. Why wouldn't that count?

musicmagus · Post by **musicmagus** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:22 pm

Not saying it doesn't count, just saying that its the same guessing game over on the elektron side as to when or if a hardware device OS will be updated.

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:54 pm

pauloapo wrote:

Korg's silence in handling the electribe gets very annoying at times.

Personally, I had mine in storage for maybe a month before OS 1.10 was out, mostly because I feared support for it was already discontinued. At the very least, I would appreciate an official signal from Korg that this machine is still being supported.

Compare this to the eagerness elektron or dave smith generate when presenting their development process for updates that are due months ahead.

My understanding, as an admitted layman, is that the ARM platform Korg chose for the Electribe makes it very flexible, and at the same time, easy to port to the diversity of more powerful processors under the same architectures, so the future possibilities could be exciting. Sadly, we are kept in the dark and have no idea.

It's the weird speculation ensued at every step that makes bad publicity.

It's not even about Korg representatives giving us face time. It's about giving us a straight stance on this product that feels unfinished.

I totally understand the unfinished argument. I think that was true even months after the launch.

But at this point, both machines are stable and usable. I have a wishlist of changes - but I can live with it.

I was excited to hear the new electribe hardware referred to as a "platform" and something for long-term. Korg tends to ride their hardware for a long time, offering little updates to keep them fresh (MicroKorg XL+, Kaoss +, EMX-SD, etc.)

I was also intrigued by the OS swap rumor that James Pullen basically singlehandedly started.

And playing with the hacked sampler OS has be totally re-engaged with this grey thing on my desk that I've failed to integrate into my production.

Maybe I made a mistake by not waiting for the sampler, maybe I should pick one up if Korg locks down the OS in a future update (one that trades cool features for a single hardware specific OS?). But if these things are not static boxes rather a 10-year platform for development with dual boot or even a new machine, I'll be even happier.

Imagine the electribe 2 booting into a high-quality synth modeling mode - no paraphony. Or a true polysynth mode. Or Korg could create a detailed analog modeling drum machine mode. Or a dedicated multieffects or vocoder mode. Charge a modest amount of money, or offer it free - it will shift more units.

But whatever they do, I hope they discuss it in public. Open it up for voting and feedback and beta testing. Engage, don't dictate.

Ted3000 · Post by **Ted3000** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:01 pm

"The biggest enemy of the freedom to tinker is the “permission culture” in which anything we want to do requires permission from some powerful entity. Permission culture punishes us not for crossing boundaries or causing damage, but for acting “without authorization”—and it cranks up the penalties to make sure we get the message."

- Edward Felton

https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felt ... -movement/

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:31 pm

Korg has NEVER been that open of a company, I'm still surprised so many people "expect" that they should be. Interesting seeing how what people expect out of a company over time, long way from 20 years ago.

It'd be nice if they were as open and engaging with customers as say u-he, or some of the other smaller developers. But I really don't see that happening to be honest, just doesn't seem their modus operandi, and they're getting on just fine despite what people here seem to think.

I still think that this hack should be looked at for what it is, nothing but a hack. Due to some of the difference in onboard sound sets and how this hack has shown that all the sounds from each still aren't available to both units, I just don't think this was something Korg ever really intended to do on their own. It's not like someone beat them to the punch.

If you want to run a hack and the risks and issues that go with it, by all means have fun. But it doesn't mean Korg has to suddenly adopt some new strategy in how they make or market their gear. I think a lot of people are overreacting and looking too deeply into what has been done.

Just my $0.02 though.

pauloapo · Post by **pauloapo** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:48 pm

Ted3000 wrote: I was excited to hear the new electribe hardware referred to as a "platform" and something for long-term.

When did that happen? I believe I missed any statement in that sense.

About it being unfinished, I still feel a bunch of rough edges on the electribes to this day. Like the fact that you can't audition samples from the sd card before importing them, for example. And let's not forget they released a "Music Production Station" without an actual song mode. Some omissions are too big to be left as is.

I don't think being a beta tester for something you paid for is ideal but not the end of the world either. People have spent a lot more money to go through the same with the DSI Tempest.

I hope development continues in a major way and communication in the process improves at some point.

(Our experiences are too similar, as I initially meant to get the sampler but had to get the synth first to get the taste of the new tribe as it was the only model available. I don't regret buying it at all right now.)

pauloapo · Post by **pauloapo** » Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:30 pm

Tarekith wrote:Korg has NEVER been that open of a company, I'm still surprised so many people "expect" that they should be. Interesting seeing how what people expect out of a company over time, long way from 20 years ago.

It'd be nice if they were as open and engaging with customers as say u-he, or some of the other smaller developers. But I really don't see that happening to be honest, just doesn't seem their modus operandi, and they're getting on just fine despite what people here seem to think.

Means of communication changed a lot since 20 years ago. It's not absurd to hope for them getting with the times. And people will speculate when left in the dark, in this environment of fast information.

Also, to my knowledge the electribe release felt more half done than their usual too, so that's different.

I still think that this hack should be looked at for what it is, nothing but a hack. Due to some of the difference in onboard sound sets and how this hack has shown that all the sounds from each still aren't available to both units, I just don't think this was something Korg ever really intended to do on their own. It's not like someone beat them to the punch.

That's what one would think, aside from what the closest thing they have to a spokesperson has to say.

I think James Pullen would be in trouble for his recent statements on korg doing an official dual booting OS if he had no ground.

robotunes · Post by **robotunes** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:19 am

Ted3000 wrote:There does not seem to be a rush of black sampler owners turning their tribes into the synth version. (Heck of an endorsement of the sampler or Early adopter blues?)

no need. when you have a sampler, the world is your oscillator

_INTER_ wrote:I tested the hack on my Sampler using the same files. It works fine.
The caveat: Most of the fixed E2 pcms are missing and from the Synth OSC there's no Boost-Saw and none of the Syn-Sine. The rest works, even the filtertypes.
Summary: E2S owners don't gain anything usable.

i liked the vpm synths and the ring-modded synths and i wouldn't mind having the dual synths so i can play intervals. but i agree: no real reason to switch. i couldn't get the e2's patterns to play on the sampler, and all the e2 drum hits were just tiny clicks. there were a couple of percussion loops in there, but nothing that's a must have for sampler owners.

you get more varied results when connecting the sampler to a synth or the ipad, a phone, or the computer. that was my rationale for choosing the sampler over the e2, and this breakthrough discovery--as awesome as it is--just confirmed that i made the right choice for me.

carry on, my e2 brothers!

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:23 pm

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SMK · Post by **SMK** » Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:32 pm

Tarekith wrote:Korg has NEVER been that open of a company, I'm still surprised so many people "expect" that they should be. Interesting seeing how what people expect out of a company over time.

What many people are actually expecting from Korg is a level of service that existed 2 years ago.

2 years ago you could call Korg New York between 9am to 6pm EST and there was a tech ready to help you with your gear or even answer pre-purchase questions. These techs were so good. This team in New York were absolutely amazing. At one time I had a fresh new ESX and I was trying to get it to do something my ES-1 did very well. It seemed the ESX had lost a critical feature (it did) but there was a way around it. The Korg tech I worked with sent me an e-mail with the correct pattern and setting file to make that ESX function the way I wanted it.

Also we used to have 2 Korg reps on the forums. Rich Formidoni and some other guy (forgot his name). Rich was really good with the Kaoss and keyboard crowd. The other guy was more an Electribe expert.

So to suggest that peoples expectations of Korg might be unrealistic is really way far from the truth.

Korg had fantastic customer engagement. The reason everyone is critical and unhappy of/with Korg is this level of engagement is completely gone.

rowf · Post by **rowf** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:05 pm

The tutorial in spanish for those who need it!
El tutorial en español para quien lo necesite! y en portada de Hispasonic!
http://www.hispasonic.com/tutoriales/co ... pler/41059

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:16 pm

SMK wrote:
Tarekith wrote:Korg has NEVER been that open of a company, I'm still surprised so many people "expect" that they should be. Interesting seeing how what people expect out of a company over time.
What many people are actually expecting from Korg is a level of service that existed 2 years ago.

2 years ago you could call Korg New York between 9am to 6pm EST and there was a tech ready to help you with your gear or even answer pre-purchase questions. These techs were so good. This team in New York were absolutely amazing. At one time I had a fresh new ESX and I was trying to get it to do something my ES-1 did very well. It seemed the ESX had lost a critical feature (it did) but there was a way around it. The Korg tech I worked with sent me an e-mail with the correct pattern and setting file to make that ESX function the way I wanted it.

Also we used to have 2 Korg reps on the forums. Rich Formidoni and some other guy (forgot his name). Rich was really good with the Kaoss and keyboard crowd. The other guy was more an Electribe expert.

So to suggest that peoples expectations of Korg might be unrealistic is really way far from the truth.

Korg had fantastic customer engagement. The reason everyone is critical and unhappy of/with Korg is this level of engagement is completely gone.

That's great they were here, but how open were they about product development or future plans for existing products? Was there any feedback about user requests, and did it ever result in OS updates based on user feedback?