Way to save sounds on Direct or USB

[siebenhirter]

I think all these sample memory related problems will end if korg comes in with an update that is capable of loading/playing sample or sound from usb media like style.

This can not be improved by an OS update, but would require a fundamental re-design of the hardware structure. Motherboard media communication of recent Pa-Arranges is under USB2 protocol that is not fast enough to work with sample locations on USB sticks or HDs (but fast enough for styles of Direct Sets).

Sampling in Pa-Keyboards is limited to remaining onboards flash memory on the card (approximately Pa4x/1000/700 - 1.5/0.3/0.128GB) unlike Kronos that can use up to 50GB of streamed samples directly from SSD (because no USB2 protocol!)

[Biggles]

Yes, the songs essentially play from the USB and all the customised actions you have are remembers.

Try this.
Set up the Direct access location.
Save a Style as a Song naming it as you want and select the Direct access location as the destination.
Press Songbook and navigate to your song which you will see bordered, now pull out the USB and the Song will disappear, plug back innthe USB and the Song will reappear.
Thus showing that the Song is stored on the USB

There is a database file that tells the PA what the Style is, its settings etc.

Sounds.
There is only so much internal sample memory available and you can soon fill it up.

You can have sounds on the USB memory but they will not play unless you load them into the memory.

I may be wrong but I get the idea that there is confusion in your understanding of how the saving and customising actually works.

[siebenhirter]

... Save a customised Style as a Song ... Now if you want to save Songs ... With the 1000 and 700 if you save Songs to the USB drive and then customise them as desired with keybdsets, pads, intros, vars, fills etc you can then transfer the USB drive to another PA and use it as if it was your PA (more or less) as long as the resources you are using are on the other PA which should be OK from your 1000 to a 4X but may be a bit problematic on a 700, it is a suck it and see situation ..

Sb-Entries are not "Songs" as you call it, but simply nothing else but Sb-Entries. If you customise Style-Settings used in Sb-Entries they still will continue to be musical resources of Styles and will not automatically become Songs as you describe it.

But for Direct Sets it is ok to suggest to load data with settings without user sounds (like Osimo). Direct Sets are not suitable for user sounds, but for musical resources with sounds that use factory multisamples and samples!

...I may be wrong but I get the idea that confusion in there is your understanding of how the saving and customising actually works. ..

.. you are wrong, because you made that confusion. We are talking about user sounds, you are talking about sb-entries in Direct Access.

Would be important to name things by their real names, to be understandable what you think you are talking about.

[Biggles]

... Save a customised Style as a Song ... Now if you want to save Songs ... With the 1000 and 700 if you save Songs to the USB drive and then customise them as desired with keybdsets, pads, intros, vars, fills etc you can then transfer the USB drive to another PA and use it as if it was your PA (more or less) as long as the resources you are using are on the other PA which should be OK from your 1000 to a 4X but may be a bit problematic on a 700, it is a suck it and see situation ..

Sb-Entries are not "Songs" as you call it, but simply nothing else but Sb-Entries. If you customise Style-Settings used in Sb-Entries they still will continue to be musical resources of Styles and will not automatically become Songs as you describe it.

But for Direct Sets it is ok to suggest to load data with settings without user sounds (like Osimo). Direct Sets are not suitable for user sounds, but for musical resources with sounds that use factory multisamples and samples!

...I may be wrong but I get the idea that confusion in there is your understanding of how the saving and customising actually works. ..

.. you are wrong, because you made that confusion and its your understanding that sucks. We are talking about user sounds, you are talking about sb-entries in Direct Access (maybe you do not know that).

Would be important to name things by their real names, to be understandable what you think you are talking about.

If it is a style, call it style, if it is a style-setting, call it style-setting and if it is an sb-entry, call it sb-entry (also maybe its entry-typ is song or style, its an sb-entry) - that will help without writing off basic-procedures from manual.

What sucks is you continually chiming in and rubbishing anyone else's comments.

Is there something in your brain that fails to understand that I am agreeing with you about Sounds not being able to be played from the external memory.

What I describe to Randy is the way to save a “Song” to the USB and hiw it functions inpractice. If you do not understand how to achieve this yourself I am mire than willing to post again the text on how to undertake tasks on a PA, please just let me know if you require your skillset upgrading and I will post said information.

If you read one of his responses to one of your posts he is asking for an understandable post on how to actually perform a task or tasks, not an explanation of why things do not work.

How about carefully reading a post before you jump on your high horse and respond in a critical manner and write with the respect that every other person deserves.

In other words how about writing in such a manner as you would expect someone to write to you.

RESPECT.

[siebenhirter]

... What sucks is ...

.. is your problem - be careful when inflating yourself, you may be bursting. That forum is not your private area and chiming in you cause yourself - it are your misleading and complicated describtions of simple processes causing reactions as you do not like them.

... I may be wrong but I get the idea that there is confusion in your understanding of how the saving and customising actually works....

Only your confusion could be noticed and was caused by your describtions - you really should only provide information you also can explain conclusively.
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It really is not necessary to create Direct.Set folder on PC. Also is not necessary to use sb-functionality to save edited KbdSets, recorded Styles/Pads etc into Direct Locations of USB.

It also was not a question how a target board will find resources in Direct Locations of an connected USB, but that question was in the context of user sounds.

Last not least - was no question of OP how to save a customised Style as a Song (what strange words for writing a style into the direct set).

PS: Please dont care about my brain and my skillsets - seems you have to do enough with your own.

[Randelph]

I would ask the moderator to step in at this point. Using words like suck, stupid, etc. is not helpful. To have a war of words with each other is not the point of this forum. For myself, I'm a beginner, and I come here because there are people who are willing to be patient and explain, step by step, what needs to be done

FWIW, I've greatly appreciated Biggles posts. When I've had a problem he has responded quickly, which is fantastic, and I've understood what he's talking about.

Siebenhiter, while I appreciate the posts you've made, more often than not I haven't really understood much of what you're talking about. I suspect that this is because English is not your first language, but more importantly, you're so much more advanced than I am that you've perhaps forgotten what it's like to be a slow-learning beginner.

Alot of the way this board works is counter-intuitive to me, I suspect they started a system and had to perpetuate it with the next model, much as Windows OS became mired as they tried to accommodate people who knew their earlier OS.

With the Pa series, you have to learn the Korg way of doing it, and once you know it you're fine. To me that seems like the single biggest problem/fault with these boards. I'm so surprised and frankly amazed at how good my Pa1000 is, but it's not user friendly. They can do so much, but the learning curve for non-technical people is prohibitive. I hope they do a complete overhaul of how things are done with their next generation.

This is why I asked in my last response to you if you'd please do a step by step for accomplishing a task.

And please, I'm not taking sides, just stating my limited experience on this forum. The both of you have had friction for awhile now, and I don't know what part Biggles has played, perhaps you think he's been rude to you. I don't know, but I'm sure that the many people who use this forum as an invaluable resource would join me in asking both of you to be civil.

And S, I hope we can take you for your words, kind regards.

Randy

[NativeAngels]

With Korg Arrangers its a case you have to do your home work before theyre what I would call stage ready. And even then you may find you have to back track a little.to fine tune what you do.

As ive said before Ive had my Pa700 since release it was one of the first to enter the Uk, and have spent quite some time getting it hiw I want it.

[siebenhirter]

... I would ask the moderator to step in at this point. ...

That would be a good idea.
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I think OPs question was answered correctly by B.Safe (direct folder is not usable for sounds).
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Unfortunately unasked - that was my mistake - subsequently I tried to explain the structure of a sound (connected to MS, connected to PCM) and recommended that you should only load user sounds individually, so that the linked elements will be updated automatically by the system etc.
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Another question, how to get Direct Access with a customized style without user sounds, was not asked but was answered relatively complicated. Simple answer would have been:
"While in StyleRecord choose the Write Style command from the page menu, and write the new or edited Style onto the Direct banks".

A complicated answer (save a style as "song") which ignores the question (style with samples) causes confusion - and I think that's just annoying.

PS: A style (without user sounds) only directly written to an USB-Direct Set is like a factory-/user-/custom-style, because Direct data can be considered as an extension of the internal memory.

But "written as song" is nothing else than an sb-entry. This sb-entry refer to a style; that style is located anywhere (factory-/user-/local) but maybe not on direct set. If that style could not be found on that location pointed from direct-sets sb-entry, an error occurs.

A style also remains a style when one means "written as a Song" on USBs Direct Set (to be not confused!).