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Re: Guitar mode
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:17 am
by Nemik
siebenhirter wrote:.... "The octave from C1 to B1 is devoted to selecting a strumming type" with an image that show a 76-key-piano it does not mean, that pressed keys from C1 to B1 really represent the strumming-type with that same key-names of a 61-key-piano in the style editor....
Korg Pa Arrangers has feature octave +/- including record mode.!!!
so for people only read manual and has no experience is weird
Re: Guitar mode
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:35 pm
by siebenhirter
Nemik wrote: .. Korg Pa Arrangers has feature octave +/- including record mode. !!! so for people only read manual and has no experience is weird
... that is correct, but I think it is much more weired to get into a system and discuss the definition of edit parameters, without at least knowing the basics beforehand, as they are at least partially documented in manuals!
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To edit guitar-tracks it is important to know - especially for Intro1/Ending1 elements - which control elements are represented by parameter (pitches of events) as visible in the editor.
But this is documented nowhere, because the manuals only describe the keys and in which octave of the keyboard they can be operated manually. But it seems to be unlikely to program a guitar track for Intro1 without knowing the button for octave shifting - but maybe.
It is therefore advisable to analyze the meaning of the events in the editor - at least once - using a guitar track of a factory style. That would be recommended before editing these events in the editor without any specific knowledge/experience of their properties and effects.
PS:
If
editing guitar-tracks of a previous models (like Pa800) strumming type
"Full Down Slow" and "Full Up Slow" its editable parameters
are not F1 and G1 but F2 and G2 (parameters C3 - B3 then represent notes for regular patterns and with parameter C4 range for rx-noises begins).
With them Key/Chord parameters for Intro1/End1 between C-1 ... B-1 can be set/edited to time marker 1.1.0. Next parameter behind that
key/chord parameter for strumming types F2 and G2 can be set to the same marker (1.1.0) and
will trigger that strummings properly without necessarity of 30 - 40 ticks between.
This only does not work with the same timestamp if the strumming parameter is set first and then the key / chord parameter i second on same timestamp !
But maybe recent series of Pa-arrangers also have inadequacies with these features (?).
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:45 pm
by Korghelper
I think what people don’t take into consideration is that, for a strum pattern to be ‘in the pocket’, you don’t time it from the very first note hit... A strum takes time, and the perceived pocket generally comes from the middle of the strum. Obviously, with slow strums, the first note needs to lead the beat a fair bit.
Perhaps this is why the chord information needs to lead the strum so much on the slow strum?
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:14 am
by Simke
I found one F1 in factory style "Orchestral Bld 2", End 1, acc 2 ...... 004.04.379.
Chord "C-1" was placed only 7 ticks before.
But ... when i "touched" F1 timestamp, it's gone, old story, again I had to make a gap of 40 ticks!
Strange !?
Re: Guitar Mode
Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:24 pm
by siebenhirter
Hello,
I think in guitar mode each strum is played according to its actual measure position.
Selection of chord types (root + velocity) is prefixed and valid for all subsequent strummings following them.
Positioned at the beginning of the Styles element, or after the previous last strumming of another chord type should be enough for the strummings to work properly.
Example Orchestra Ballad 2 / Ending 1 / Acc2:
Current F1 vel 1 at M:004 is set to be triggered as chord type C-1 vel 1 at M:004.4.372.
Previous A1 vel 68 is at M:004.04.192.
With C-1 vel 1 set to on tick behind (M:004.4.193) will cause F1 vel 1 to work reliably (OrchBld3)