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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:20 am
by Nav
chillinout wrote:I have watched this forum for ever wondering what the deal is much like any forum and fairly sure that regular members will send in there cash so they can get there daily fix.

Can i ask in all honesty why Irish Acts / KF promotes and spends so much time on one company and why you guys did spend so much time promoting the oasys which is an overpriced and overdue computer (5 years overdue)???

Me and the ol' wife Jenny would gladly pay £25 towards your cause if we thought it was for something that would make a difference to our lives, though we would more gladly put it towards something worthwhile like the red cross effort in the US, where people are dying and really in need of money. In other words what does this site offer new that others do not? Shall we pay £25 for a site to hear views from company employees that are getting paid in excess of £30K a year when we only get a state pension?

What were asking you Sharp and Dax is why should WE PAY TO FEED your enjoyment when the internet is full of music sites that survive out of there own efforts?

In very simply terms, why should we pay for YOUR ENJOYMENT? ((a long time watcher of your efforts)).

http://classica.planetaclix.pt/english/ ... eixas.html
The defensive efforts of some "platinum members" (?) on the Oasys' fantasy price gave me the same thoughts as well.

This is the reason I did not contribute. I surely will if someday I'm assured that those "platinum members" are not employees of KORG but just kiddies hyping everything that comes from their idols at KORG Corp.

But at the moment it appears to me that the funding of this forum should rather be done by Mr. Katoh himself. ;)

(No offense, but at my age and with my background you become suspicious when it comes to capitalism. ;))

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:25 am
by cnegrad
Nav,
4) We are NOT Korg employees, though some of them do occasionally come here to answer user questions. You are complaining to the wrong people. Find a Korg email address and yell at them all you want. And if you dont like Korg products, then don't buy them, particularly if you can't afford them.
In very simply terms, why should we pay for YOUR ENJOYMENT?
5) This site is supported by those who frequent it. You are obviously not one of those people, so disregard the donation, and also disregard this site in the future.

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:29 am
by Nav
So only donating members are welcome here?

Or people with no opinion about the Oasys pricing policy deviating from KORG sales agents?

Ignorance, to say the least, is by no means a way of finding truth...

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:31 am
by cnegrad
Nav,

People who make positive contributions are welcome here. Whether or not they make donations is irrelevant. The Oasis wars have been over for quite some time. If you have a problem with Korg, find their website and yell at them. What does it have to do with us?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:32 am
by cnegrad
And there is no ignorance here. Just no need to continue whining and complaining like immature children.

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:35 am
by Nav
cnegrad wrote:And there is no ignorance here. Just no need to continue whining and complaining like immature children.
Ok.

I did not mean to offend anybody here, but I just ran across the Oasys subforum here and I was a bit... well forget it.

I would really like to donate, to be honest.

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:40 am
by cnegrad
Nav,

You are perfectly welcome to hang here (and donate) if you so choose. But please dont start flame wars here. We are NOT Korg employees. Thanks.

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:10 am
by FireDude
Hey Cnegrad,

I can't bear to see this thread go on any longer without a "non-Platinum" user speaking up and helping to deflate this irrelevant conversation.

Nav or chillinout or whoever you are.....

Despite your own assumption.....you are welcome here at Korg Forums ( formerly known as Irish Acts, but you knew that ). Please know that too many of us are disappointed in our first impression of you. Sir, Your insulting posts are less than desirable. Your tact and conversation is confrontational, provoking, and flat out disrespectful. You are better than this sir. We simply don’t disrespect anyone here and you have done so. But even so I want to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Your introduction needs work. Your haven't been around here as long as you claim, because your overview of Korg Forums and its users ( me ) is far from truth. So since we haven't been formally introduced and your
introduction is beyond acceptable....let me start this off on a better note:

Hey, I am Cory, aka FireDude. Please know you are still welcome here. It is my suggestion that we start over.

A true sign of maturity is being able to take a step back from a situation and re-evaluate. So what I have to offer here is to aid you in your re-evaluation of Korg Forums ( aka Irish Acts ) and its incredibly talented, gifted, and always respectful users.

We are not Korg employees, however as Cnegrad said.....we are fortunate enough to have some KORG employees here as users. They drop into a thread here and there to help us out. FYI - They are personal users and not here as corporate appointed representatives, but you knew that too.

For what it’s worth sir.....I am not Korg anything. I, along with majority of the other users here, am a creative musician that plays on KORG, Alesis, Kurzweil, Yamaha, and anything else that will help me translate my creativity into sonic expressions of music and scores.

I can voucher for Cnegrad personally.....he is not KORG and even owns several other non KORG items, software, and V-synths in his studio. Gosh I want his Motif ES! Anyways, Cnegrad is also a professional musician that is very accomplished and as humble as they come for what he does and where he has been.

We here at Korg Forums do talk about other things that are non KORG related ( like this ) , however it is vital that you understand KORG is our common ground that binds us together. From the common thread of KORG we have come here, kindled friendships, and built a network of relationships that converse on these threads in the hope to learn, stretch, and grow in our music, creativity, and knowledge.......and other mindless banter too! We are not stiffs here ya know.

It most notable to me that you have a tremendous heart for people and a compassion for those that are suffering in the US due to the tragic hit of Hurricane Katrina. Me too! I am a firefighter paramedic for the Dept of Defense and am doing my part by donating blood and money to the efforts of the red cross. I also know and support many of the troops and supplies that are being deployed to Louisianna and Mississippii from my base as we speak. Please understand that most everyone here at Korg Forums is sympathetic to the tragedies that are affecting our world, however we do what we can there and also continue our lives here.

The recent thread from Sharp and Daz about the donation option....that is what it is......an option.....that you and anyone else here at Korg Forums is not obligated to..... is what we have priorly agreed upon. I can point you to countless threads and conversations here and at KarmaForums ( our home after the sudden loss of Irish Acts ISP ) that openly discussed what and how we should do this donation thing. A consensus was presented and agreed upon and is now what you see in place in this thread. The only thing Korg does for us is list our website on their website as a 3rd party link and resource. End of story.

It is obvious that you have watched our transition from Irish Acts to our new home here at Korg Forums and it is even more obvious to me that we have met before, but under another sir name. Must we repeat history like this every few months. If so…..I will be here.

Our statement is the same:

With all due respect.....

Take a load off, enjoy the threads, leave the donating to us, and please behave this time. If you have a problem be a part of the solution and not the problem itself.

Re introduce yourself at the New Members Zone thread.

See ya there,
Cory 8)

P.S. Oasys pricing topic has come and gone. And "for your age" you should display some more wisdom! With all due respect of course.

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:20 am
by FireDude
Sharp....I get paid next Friday and then my money is on the way! Thanks again for all that you and Daz do!

Yours Truly,
Cory 8)

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:04 am
by RiotNrrd
Heh. All Korg employees. That's a laugh.

Yes, I do own two Korg products, a Karma and a Triton Pro Classic. I haven't turned either one of them on in many many months, and when I do it's just to mess around a little with them. I'm here because I was originally looking for a forum that involved the Triton (my first Korg purchase). Since then I've moved on from Korg, but I'm still *here*, because as anyone who's been here for any length of time knows, this is not a Korg-only board.

Far from it.

The music I write is done almost exclusively in Propellerheads Reason, with a little bit of Native Instruments Reaktor and Ableton Live (and a bazillion freeware VSTi's) thrown in. The last piece of recorded music I did that used any sounds at all generated by a Korg board was over four years ago.

As far as the Oasys wars go, I think the Oasys is a fantastic looking synth, probably a fine sounding one (I've never actually heard it, so I can't speak authoritatively on that point), with a price-tag that strikes me as laughably outrageous. So what? I just won't buy one. End of story. You won't hear me whining about the Oasys, you won't hear me complaining about the price, you won't hear me really talking about it at all (although I am making a rare exception right now to hammer home a point) because as far as I'm concerned the Oasys is an invisible product - it's so far out of my price range it may as well not even exist. So why even talk about it? Waste of effort. Waste of breath (or keyboard finger-waving, as far as that goes). *I* don't care that I'm not going to buy one, and no one else should care either. There's just nothing to say on the subject. I can't afford a LearJet either, and I certainly rarely if ever make a big deal about that.

What this board is is a community of musicians who voluntarily get together and talk about their interests (which aren't even always about music, even if the primary focus of the board is). The people on this board were strangers when I showed up, but are now my friends. I haven't found the same level of friendliness, maturity, and just plain good will, on any other music forum, and I think that makes this forum worth supporting.

*I* think that makes this forum worth supporting.

*You* are not required to. No lists of financial supporters is going to be published (that I've heard about). If you contribute, no one will know. If you don't contribute, no one will know. You can come and go freely without having to feel a hint of guilt or obligation. We'll still treat you the same way you would have been treated anyway - based on how you behave towards the members of the forum on an ongoing basis. If you adopt a positive, helpful, friendly attitude, you will be welcomed. If you adopt an aggressive, negative, confrontational attitude, well... you probably won't be here for long. Whether you contribute or not is entirely up to you, and will have no impact on your interactions with this forum either way.

Why should you contribute?

Why are you asking *us*?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:49 am
by Nav
I have to apologize. :roll:

Looks like I behaved like an ******* here.

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:12 am
by Sharp
Hi chillinout.

Let me ask a question then.
I have watched this forum for ever wondering
Why :-)
What make you come here and spend so much time reading. Something worth a donation maybe :-)

Seriously though…. the most active area’s of this website have nothing to do with Korg. It’s a community of musician’s writing an awful lot of NEW songs.

Something I don’t see happening very often on websites I visit.

Regards.
Sharp.

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:25 am
by themusicman2001
I donated... keep up the great work Sharp and Daz.

Nav... very good of you to apologise sir... nice one. You will be respected for that.

Just a further comment from me Nav if you don't mind. I can honestly say, and I mean quite honestly, that this forum however you know it - be that IA or KF or whatever - is undoubtedly one of the best managed forums anywhere on the net. The content is always top class, regardless of if that is Korg related, other manufacturer related, or general chit chat. IA was here before I started running my own forum, and I modelled mine on the way Sharp and Daz run IA - I still model on it now. I now have a 5,000+ member forum with nearly 300K posts delivering in excess of 4Million pages per month. I owe a big debt to Sharp and Daz, cos it's down to them as to why my forum is successful. That's why I donated.

Enjoy IA/KF :)

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:09 am
by franky silva
Done.
fjacsilva@sapo.pt

Thanks Sharp and Daz for this forum.

Franky
Portugal

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:47 am
by Lorenzo
ok, after all these years spent here at IA as a spy from CORG I should admit I'm working for... CORG!
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sorry, couldn't resist...
p.s. my donation is on its way, Thanx a lot Sharp and Daz
regards, Lorenzo