I figured out how to patch EXi1 to EXi2 inside a single prog

[sirCombatWombat]

I just tried this, and noticed a caveat: you'll still hear EXi1's "dry" output signal, as well.

Dan, did you notice this?

sirCombatWombat, I think you left out one step - on the IFX TAB, turn BUS SELECT to OFF. This will get rid of the dry signals. I'm guessing you did this.

I did, I forgot that from the description, thank you. Also the EXi2 has to be sent to the MFX2, and MFX2 return turned up.

I'm in the process of doing some audio demos, they are a bit raw still but should give some ideas.

[danatkorg]

I just tried this, and noticed a caveat: you'll still hear EXi1's "dry" output signal, as well.

Dan, did you notice this?

sirCombatWombat, I think you left out one step - on the IFX TAB, turn BUS SELECT to OFF. This will get rid of the dry signals. I'm guessing you did this.

I did, I forgot that from the description, thank you. Also the EXi2 has to be sent to the MFX2, and MFX2 return turned up.

I'm in the process of doing some audio demos, they are a bit raw still but should give some ideas.

Ah, cool - that sounds like it should work.

- Dan

[sirCombatWombat]

Note that all of these connections will work best if you treat them as being monophonic, since there's no way to route individual voices - only busses.

That is true, as in most modulars. I'm not sure how they do the Buchla routings as it has 16 voice polyphony?
But I did couple of interesting sounds that use split keyboard, where the left hand opens comb filters (STR-1) and right hand feeds the sounds to them. Still in single stereo pair, but the results are quite something. Actually I'm not entirely sure if it is a stereo pair, I'm only assuming that. It could be for example that the MS-20EX sums them. It would be great if the bus could be used as two separate mono signals. It's easy to hard pan two mono signals, but I can't see how they could be separated in the target engine.

[sirCombatWombat]

Here's few quick demos as promised. All the samples are as played, no editing or external effects added. And there are some level variations.

First one is filter stacking test, I fed the AL-1 init program through 1, 3, and 6 MOD-7 24dB LPF filters configured for slow sweep. I had some trouble keeping the levels consistent, but the graphs show how the slope gets steeper. Also note how the filtering gets progressively more difficult, and the difference between 3 and 6 filters is small compared to the difference between 1 and 3 filters.

http://www.elisanet.fi/sirwombat/1Filter.mp3


http://www.elisanet.fi/sirwombat/3Filters.mp3


http://www.elisanet.fi/sirwombat/6Filters.mp3

Heres one with few notes from Polysix and three filters.
http://www.elisanet.fi/sirwombat/Threefiltersdemo.mp3

The next one is gritty audio filter modulation with MOD-7 routed to MS-20EX LPF. Brings the Wretch Machine to my mind, even while it's nothing like it.
http://www.elisanet.fi/sirwombat/SoftGrit.mp3

This one is one of the comb filter splits I was talking about in my previous post. Left hand plays the sound, and right hand controls the pitch of the comb filter (STR-1).
http://www.elisanet.fi/sirwombat/DeepBellDrone.mp3

And lets end this to a delicate soft glassy bell sound. This one is a MOD-7 fed to STR-1.
http://www.elisanet.fi/sirwombat/SoftGlassBells.mp3

And here is only the MOD-7 of the previous example, so you can hear how the engines work together to produce the sound.
http://www.elisanet.fi/sirwombat/SoftGl ... erOnly.mp3


I hope this whets your appetite and gives some direction to head to.

[danatkorg]

This one is one of the comb filter splits I was talking about in my previous post. Left hand plays the sound, and right hand controls the pitch of the comb filter (STR-1).
http://www.elisanet.fi/sirwombat/DeepBellDrone.mp3

This one, in particular, I find quite striking.

- Dan

[sirCombatWombat]

This one is one of the comb filter splits I was talking about in my previous post. Left hand plays the sound, and right hand controls the pitch of the comb filter (STR-1).
http://www.elisanet.fi/sirwombat/DeepBellDrone.mp3

This one, in particular, I find quite striking.

- Dan

Thank you!

[curvebender]

Excellent work sirCombat!

The "DeepBellDrone" made me think of Walter (now Wendy) Carlos fantastic score for Kubricks A Clockwork Orange.

Any chance one could try out the programs?..

Again, bravo!!

[curvebender]

Hi all,

Could someone please help me out to create a program as described in this post?.. I've been trying hard today, but I'm obviously missing something.

I just keep hearing two EXi's playing in paralell.

Thanks.

[peter m. mahr]

This one is one of the comb filter splits I was talking about in my previous post. Left hand plays the sound, and right hand controls the pitch of the comb filter (STR-1).
http://www.elisanet.fi/sirwombat/DeepBellDrone.mp3

This one, in particular, I find quite striking.

- Dan

Thank you!

Yes, that one could fit alone perfect into a movie! Great sound, excellent work, clever idea !!!

peter

[sirCombatWombat]

Common -> IFX -> Routing
EXi MFX Send:
EXi1 Send1 (to MFX 1) = 127
EXi1 Send2 (to MFX 2) = 0
EXi2 Send1 (to MFX 1) = 0
EXi2 Send2 (to MFX 2) = 127

Bus Select:
EXi1&2 to = Off

Common -> MFX/TFX -> Routing
MFX1 = On
MFX1 = 002: Stereo Compressor
MFX2 = On
MFX2 = 002: Stereo Compressor
Return1 = 0
Return2 = 127

Common -> MFX/TFX -> MFX1
Ratio = 1.0 : 1
Threshold = 0
Gain Adjust [dB] = +0

Common -> MFX/TFX -> MFX2
Same as MFX1

Common -> Basic/Vector -> EXi Audio Input
EXi2 Audio Input
Input Source = MFX1
Channel Select = Stereo/L+R

This feeds EXi1 to EXi2 Audio Input, now it's up to you to use the input. I may later write something on that too.
I hope this helps, and do a demo if you get something cool going.

[sirCombatWombat]

Yes, that one could fit alone perfect into a movie! Great sound, excellent work, clever idea !!!

Thanks!

Any chance one could try out the programs?..

At least the DeepBellDrone is probably going in to a project, about the other programs I'm not sure yet.

[curvebender]

Sircombat,

Thank you very much for your step-by-step!!

But, it still doesn't work I'm afraid...

I mean, EXi1 is supposed to modulate EXi2, right? All I get is the usual two EXi's sounding side by side.

What am I doing wrong?

[sirCombatWombat]

You have to manage the modulation too, for example put MS-20EX to the EXi2, and then on the Patch Panel put a connection between EXi Audio In (at the bottom of the panel) and the Signal In (right beside it), then connect the Out (just right to it) to the LPF Cutoff Freq. (on the upper side of the screen). Then turn the Signal Level up (on the bottom of the screen). That should sound different. Then make adjustments to the EXi1, now it should affect the EXi2.

Or if you want to use the STR-1 just turn up the Feedback Level on the String -> Pickups/Feedback tab, that is the audio path to the engine.

And on the MOD-7 the Audio comes from the Audio In jack on the Patch Panel.

If this does not help, try to follow the step by step directions one more time with an initialized patch. (And check that you turned the Bus Select to Off at the IFX->Routing)

[Arend Groot]

Thanks sirCombatWombat for your exellent work and step by step tutorial. I am going to try this later. I was impressed by the mp3 files.

[RC-IA]

Common -> IFX -> Routing
EXi MFX Send:
EXi1 Send1 (to MFX 1) = 127
EXi1 Send2 (to MFX 2) = 0
EXi2 Send1 (to MFX 1) = 0
EXi2 Send2 (to MFX 2) = 127

Bus Select:
EXi1&2 to = Off

Common -> MFX/TFX -> Routing
MFX1 = On
MFX1 = 002: Stereo Compressor
MFX2 = On
MFX2 = 002: Stereo Compressor
Return1 = 0
Return2 = 127

Common -> MFX/TFX -> MFX1
Ratio = 1.0 : 1
Threshold = 0
Gain Adjust [dB] = +0

Common -> MFX/TFX -> MFX2
Same as MFX1

Common -> Basic/Vector -> EXi Audio Input
EXi2 Audio Input
Input Source = MFX1
Channel Select = Stereo/L+R

This feeds EXi1 to EXi2 Audio Input, now it's up to you to use the input. I may later write something on that too.
I hope this helps, and do a demo if you get something cool going.

i think this one deserve to be on the new karma lab wiki, and you'll (maybe) win a tee shirt !!! really great. thanx a lot for sharing

richard