New R3 Patch: DubStep Wobble Bass

[xmlguy]

Hey community members, I just installed the sound editor for the first time and wow have I been missing out!

This is a great patch, thanks for the upload! Yet, how can I change the second knob to control the LFO1 frequency? Why is it assigned to LFO2 if it is not creating/controlling the wobble?

Also, is switching between note values directly possible or is an external midi controller necessary?

Thanks!
m

You're welcome and thanks for your comments! LFO1 is configured to sync to the BPM, therefore the knobs cannot be assigned to change the LFO frequency directly. Changing the tempo knob will change the BPM, and you'll see the LED show the beat pulses. You can play different notes on the keyboard, sure. My previous comments about an external controller were about setting specific "SYNC NOTE" values, which are set to be some fraction of the BPM, such as 1/6, 1/3, or 1/2. The problem is that using a knob, there's no easy way to move between two fractions without changing the value to all of the intermediate values, which will cause offbeat wobbles. Using a controller you could move directly from 1/3 to 1/6, without getting 1/4 and 3/16 in between them.

[Inksta]

Hi Guys, can I load this into my Radias?

[dflan83]

Is there one of these available for the radias and if not.the only other way would be to download the editor and copy the settings into the radias editor.

[CharlesFerraro]

http://www.file-upload.net/download-323 ... o.rdl.html

and

http://www.file-upload.net/download-310 ... o.rdl.html

[xmlguy]

You can load any of the Korg editors even if you don't have the hardware, then you can copy the parameters from any program on a synth you don't have to the one you do have.

The Dubstep Wobble Bass isn't a particularly difficult program to reproduce. There's plenty of examples on youtube about how to do the wobble bass with Synth1 or other synths, and the process is basically the same. There's a bit of art in picking the curve and limits of the filter to produce the wobble, but that's probably best to dial in yourself based on your own preferences. The only things I did a bit differently were to provide multiple ways to trigger the wobble, such as using the mod wheel to wobble manually.

[CharlesFerraro]

art in picking the curve

you can apply some waveshaping for the LFO on the radias but not on the XL and R3 as far as I know. A way around this would be to have the LFO modulate its own frequency (or have LFO 2 as the source). That way the start of the LFO would be faster and the end slower with positive modulation.

[m_player]

You're welcome and thanks for your comments! LFO1 is configured to sync to the BPM, therefore the knobs cannot be assigned to change the LFO frequency directly. Changing the tempo knob will change the BPM, and you'll see the LED show the beat pulses. You can play different notes on the keyboard, sure. My previous comments about an external controller were about setting specific "SYNC NOTE" values, which are set to be some fraction of the BPM, such as 1/6, 1/3, or 1/2. The problem is that using a knob, there's no easy way to move between two fractions without changing the value to all of the intermediate values, which will cause offbeat wobbles. Using a controller you could move directly from 1/3 to 1/6, without getting 1/4 and 3/16 in between them.

So now that I've had more time to spend sitting with my R3 and just creating patches from scratch & learning the terminology; I understand exactly what you mean.
So how can one utilize an external midi controller for this?

If not by use of midi controller, which sounds expensive; what about modifying the hardware or software? I've had a lot of experience soldering, I could wire in a row of buttons in place of one of the knobs, but its somewhat impractical considering I wouldn't want to open the R3 and void my warranty.
And so software...is there an R3 editor software editor? I have some web design experience so I know basic coding; couldn't we just remove the sync notes that we don't want? I mean the editor is great but why isn't that an option?

All the best.
m
EDIT: Might I also say I have a Korg KP3 (kaossillator)...could that serve as the external midi controller? I sure do love the way the two look next to eachother, full of blinky red lights. Haha, thanks in advance!

[xmlguy]

m_player, midi controllers aren't expensive. You just need to get one that's easy to program. And speaking of easy to program, the best way to program midi controllers and the R3 is using software editors. You can download the latest version of the R3 editor librarian software from Korg's website, along with the USB-midi driver. They you can learn how much better it is to use the editor than to do menu diving through the LCD screen and knobs.

Naw, don't try to circuit bend the R3. All the real work is done in software that's inside.

[m_player]

m_player, midi controllers aren't expensive. You just need to get one that's easy to program. And speaking of easy to program, the best way to program midi controllers and the R3 is using software editors. You can download the latest version of the R3 editor librarian software from Korg's website, along with the USB-midi driver. They you can learn how much better it is to use the editor than to do menu diving through the LCD screen and knobs.

Naw, don't try to circuit bend the R3. All the real work is done in software that's inside.

Right, I have the R3 Sound Editor off Korg's website; that's how I made the wobble patch on my own. Or is the R3 editor librarian different?

I'm really curious if the Kaossillator KP3 can be used for this function as a midi controller. It has midi in/out on it, I'll start going through the manual to find out.


And I was suggesting that we could just go into the code of the R3 sound editor software and take out the note sync values that we don't want, so the knob would just be changing to 1/4, 1/8 and 1/12 potentially. But this could end up with program bugs, which would really suck.

Thanks!
-m

[m_player]

So with some research and reading the KP3's manual, I've found out that it can use the Kaoss Pad as a midi controller in this article.

That suggests to set it up through Logic, as the KP3 transmits all the same midi data through a usb cable as a midi cable.
Does the R3 also do this?

After much patch editing and reading new material, my head has had enough for one day...but thanks for the help; I'll post back if I'm successful later today or tomorrow.

m

[m_player]

So I wanted to setup the Kaoss Pad to control the LFO sync note because of its ability to select any part of the pad, skipping over the previous settings; thus switching between back and forth from 1/4 to 1/8 to 1/12, and making successful dub; making me dub-happy.

xmlguy, you mentioned setting up different CC#s on an external controller; wouldn't a CC just define what knob on the controller will control the LFO sync? How would I eliminate the notes in between through CC#s?

Thanks!
M

[xmlguy]

I looked a bit closer into controlling the R3 LFO frequency for the wobble bass, and it looks like changing the SyncNote directly via midi will be too difficult to do via a simple midi sequence. It would require retrieving the current program via Sysex commands, modifying that one parameter, and sending the program back, which would require software to all of that.

A much simpler approach would be to turn off the LFO BPMSync on the program, and then send a MIDI CC#90 to control LFO1's frequency or CC#76 for LFO2. So let's say the track is 120BPM. That's 2 beats/sec, or 2Hz. So if you want one wobble per beat, the LFO should be 2Hz. 2 per beat is =4 Hz, 3=6hz, 4=8hz, 5=10hz, 6=12hz. You'll probably need KeySync to be on so that the LFO starts in sync with the notes.

[m_player]

I looked a bit closer into controlling the R3 LFO frequency for the wobble bass, and it looks like changing the SyncNote directly via midi will be too difficult to do via a simple midi sequence. It would require retrieving the current program via Sysex commands, modifying that one parameter, and sending the program back, which would require software to all of that.

A much simpler approach would be to turn off the LFO BPMSync on the program, and then send a MIDI CC#90 to control LFO1's frequency or CC#76 for LFO2. So let's say the track is 120BPM. That's 2 beats/sec, or 2Hz. So if you want one wobble per beat, the LFO should be 2Hz. 2 per beat is =4 Hz, 3=6hz, 4=8hz, 5=10hz, 6=12hz. You'll probably need KeySync to be on so that the LFO starts in sync with the notes.

I am willing to take the more complex route, as I don't see how it will be much easier to use a the controller in Hz. The controller I would be using would be a midi mixer like a BCR2000 or if I could, the KP3. What kind of controller are you thinking of? And what are Sysex commands? Software that intercepts the LFO parameter and sends back only certain values?

My biggest problem is being a MIDI noob. Since the Kaoss Pad can be used as a midi controller; could I just connect MIDI out of the R3 to the MIDI in on the KP3? And then assign the CC#s? So then I would just use the pad to control what note is selected.

Really wish I had my R3 with me, but in a month I will & then I can test this all out for myself.

[xmlguy]

Setting the LFO frequency in Hz should be very easy. You just need to send the CC# with a coded value for the Hz. The value is between 1-127, which each value representing a specific frequency in Hz. You could just record the midi sent by the R3 in a DAW progrem, then change the LFO frequency to 2Hz, and see what the last data value was set to for the CC# I gave above. The data values prior to the last one will represents all of the Hz values on the way to getting to 2Hz.

The more complex way, is much, much more complex. You would basically need to do much of what the Korg editor librarian does to read the data and send it back. To do that, you'll have to become a midi expert to understand the following document:

http://www.korg.co.uk/downloads/r3/supp ... _EFGJ1.pdf

No standard midi controller is powerful enough to do that complex midi programming. But any midi controller can send a CC# with a data value, even the KP3. Once you figure out the exact value for the LFO frequency, the rest is so easy.

[zalo]

Just purchase a midi controller with momentary buttons that you can assign CC# and values to.

This is all you need to know from that MIDI sheet.

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When BPM Sync is "ON".
        00~07 : 8/1     26~2C : 1/2     4B~52 : 1/6     71~77 : 1/32
        08~0E : 4/1     2D~34 : 3/8     53~59 : 1/8     78~7F : 1/64
        0F~16 : 2/1     35~3B : 1/3     5A~61 : 1/12
        17~1D : 1/1     3C~43 : 1/4     62~68 : 1/16
        1E~25 : 3/4     44~4A : 3/16    69~70 : 1/24

Those values are in hex so you just need to convert them to dec and you will have your standard 0-127.

The R3 uses assignable CC#s, so assign the LFO Freq to an unused # (I will use 60 for this explanation).

Set the first button to CC# 60 with an ON Value of 61 (quarter note, 1/4)
the next button to CC# 60 ON Value 76 (quarter note triplet, 1/6)
next CC# 60 ON Value 84 (eighth note, 1/8 )
and so on.

Set them all to have an Off Value of 39 (half note, 1/2) or what ever you want for your default pulse.

Or use which ever values you want to get your appropriate divisions.

There are several MIDI controllers that can do this, padKONTROL and BCR2000 for example.