Kaossilator Pro - no "Fix" feature

[JJP]

99 bars would be great but all I'd want is 32 and I'd be happy. 16 just isn't always enough.

i don't need 99 bars. But we are living in the future. so what? 400$ is a lot, so I want a lot. It seems I get just enough and that's a little sad.

[Mr36]

$400/£300 is alot of money but I don't think it's unfair for this kind of hardware in comparison to other things on the market.
However, getting just enough doesn't make for an appealing product.

[Radian]

btw: Would you mind trying mono-bouncing with line-in to line-out with a crossed-mono setting like line-out right channel to line-in left channel? or will this only result in feeback again?

OK, I've been trying this and it's not really working. Although there's no howling feedback, the stereo effects always seem to pan around and introduce phasing sounds into the resampling. It's not going to be the answer - good idea though

[JJP]

btw: Would you mind trying mono-bouncing with line-in to line-out with a crossed-mono setting like line-out right channel to line-in left channel? or will this only result in feeback again?

OK, I've been trying this and it's not really working. Although there's no howling feedback, the stereo effects always seem to pan around and introduce phasing sounds into the resampling. It's not going to be the answer - good idea though

so it does not work to bounce to banks, right... hm.. can you record on two banks at once? (in order to have a "backup")

[Radian]

so it does not work to bounce to banks, right... hm.. can you record on two banks at once? (in order to have a "backup")

It can indeed record the same performance into more than one bank - all four together even, but this doesn't solve the lack of "Fix". After the first take recording into two banks you could decide to try an overdub on one bank leaving the other as a backup - but if it goes right, you've made very limited progress - you still need to copy the progress into the other bank otherwise your next overdub could spoil everything.

[Mr36]

How about recording the first layer to three banks, then recording the second layer to banks 1 and 2 leaving the third as a backup, then if you're happy with the first two layers, record the third layer to banks 1 and 3 leaving the second as backup, and so on...

It is a little bit convoluted, not to mention the fact that we shouldn't have to do it ad there should be a bounce feature.

[Radian]

How about recording the first layer to three banks, then recording the second layer to banks 1 and 2 leaving the third as a backup, then if you're happy with the first two layers, record the third layer to banks 1 and 3 leaving the second as backup, and so on...

That doesn't do it though - from your description, the third layer is going into bank 3 - which doesn't have the second layer in it! The best you could do is start in all four, then add three extra layers leaving one unrecorded as a backup each time. And then you only get one more shot at not screwing-up.

It is a little bit convoluted, not to mention the fact that we shouldn't have to do it ad there should be a bounce feature.

It's worse than convoluted. People shouldn't waste time trying it as it's useless. The only way round this is to use external store or persuade Korg to do something about it.

[Mr36]

I think the best thing to do then is not screw up. :p

I do hope Korg can do something about it via firmware updates... Not holding my breath though.

[JJP]

It can indeed record the same performance into more than one bank - all four together even, but this doesn't solve the lack of "Fix". After the first take recording into two banks you could decide to try an overdub on one bank leaving the other as a backup - but if it goes right, you've made very limited progress - you still need to copy the progress into the other bank otherwise your next overdub could spoil everything.

well, considering the facts that's almost great ! cause the most important thing is at leas to have a backup. playing with the ol' KingK in 16bar mode we had no fix. and in 8bar I'm often to lazy to use it.

The fix algorithm:

1. Record to all 4 banks

2. record the next layer on bank A+B.
if it worked out go to 3.
if you fail save bank D, reload to all banks and start again with 2.

3. record next layer on bank A - if it works, save bank A, reload to all 4 banks an go to 2.
if you fail you are not good enough save bank B, load to all 4 banks an go to 2.

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It should work. Lame is, that the saving/loading process is way to slow for 21th century