Sample Pack 2?

jerrythek · Post by **jerrythek** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:41 am

Guys - please read the documentation.

Mackbaz:

1) it sounds like you didn't load the OS 1.2 - did you? You have to load the OS to have the right resources for the sounds first. Then you can use the Editor to open the Soundpack 2 and transmit sounds.

2) Are you saying that you are playing the EP's and then changing the amp model from the front panel knob? changing the model calls up default settings for everything - that's what is changing things. Look at the Editor when you do that from the front pane knob - it not only changes the amp, it also changes the speaker at the same time.

So if you want to change things I highly recommend you use the editor, not the front panel.

Let me know if I am understanding you correctly, and if this info helps you.

Regards,

Jerry

jerrythek · Post by **jerrythek** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:46 am

adan wrote:I can't see how to load the soundpack. When I download, I get 2 files, one is 16 KB, the other is 377 KB. The 377 is a pdf file describing soundpack 2. If I click on the other file, it opens the editor, but doesn't seem to do anything else. I don't see any new sounds either on the main page or the backup page. I'm am obviously missing something very basic about this. I've read the editor guide, but still don't understand what I'm missing.

Adan: First download, unzip, and install the OS 1.2 - read the instructions on how to do that.

After that you can download and unzip the SP2. You get an editor files (the small one) and a PDF describing the sounds. You open the Editor file from the Back-up tab. Once open you can highlight a single sound and press the Transmit button to send it temporarily to the SV-1 to audition it. Or you can transmit the whole Bank, but be sure you've backed up any tweak/changes you have in your SV-1 first.

OK?

Regards,

Jerry

mackbaz · Post by **mackbaz** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:40 am

jerrythek wrote:Guys - please read the documentation.

Mackbaz:

1) it sounds like you didn't load the OS 1.2 - did you? You have to load the OS to have the right resources for the sounds first. Then you can use the Editor to open the Soundpack 2 and transmit sounds.

2) Are you saying that you are playing the EP's and then changing the amp model from the front panel knob? changing the model calls up default settings for everything - that's what is changing things. Look at the Editor when you do that from the front pane knob - it not only changes the amp, it also changes the speaker at the same time.

So if you want to change things I highly recommend you use the editor, not the front panel.

Let me know if I am understanding you correctly, and if this info helps you.

Regards,

Jerry

I did load 1.2 before the sound pack, and verified through the editor.

and I am not quite sure you understand my problem (though I thank you for your input). This has almost nothing to do with the editor. My issues are when the keyboard is standalone after loading my presets. And Its actually an issue with the amps, not just the ep and amps(noticed after some more testing). If I have a sound without an amp on it seems to be louder than that corresponding sound from sp1 (i know they are different sounds), which is fine. So i decide to turn an amp model on by hitting the on/off button; sounds fine. Say I decide I don't like amp1 and want to change to amp 2? I turn the knob and all of the sudden the volume level is back to how it was in sp1. No matter how many times I change the amp it remains at this volume until I reload the ep.

As far as the other issue. When I select my preset the editor shows it as using the correct main sound, but the knob (no matter if I am plugged into the computer or not) represents the wrong sound. Say I have selected hard dyno as a favorite. When I select that favorite, I indeed hear the hard dyno, but the light on the sound knob indicates hard tine. Its a small annoyance, but I didn't pay $2000 for an annoyance.

Is there a chance there is something wrong with my board? I'm inclined to think no since I don't have these issues at all with sp1. btw was the volume on everything but the organs raised. pianos and everything are louder than sp1.

Thanks in advance Jerry. I appreciate your time on this forum

mackbaz · Post by **mackbaz** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:44 am

btw, in regards loading to OS 1.1 and OS 1.2 I had to boot to ubuntu instead of windows to get it to work. Windows would only sometimes show that the ssd was connected and other times ask me to format. I was a little skeptical of that. Is this in anyway related?

jerrythek · Post by **jerrythek** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:30 pm

Hi Mackbaz:

I think I understand just fine, but perhaps I'm not explaining myself well.

You are right - SP2 is different sounds and they are a bit louder - they were not specifically QC'd to match the others. Gain can come from a number of places - some within the synthesis parameters that you can't see, but more likely from EQ boost, settings within the amp section, and the final Limiter that is only available from the Editor. If a sound is too loud (or too soft) you should look at those parameters.

But once you use the front panel knob to change an amp type, it changes the amp type, the speaker cabinet, and resets them to a default setting for ALL the amp and cabinet parameters. So it will never get back to the SP2 programming without reselecting the Program again. That's the design of the product.

Does this make sense to you?

I'm going to look at and do some tests here for your other issues, I'll be back to you shortly.

Regards,

Jerry

mackbaz · Post by **mackbaz** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:20 pm

It does make sense, but from a non-programming point of view, why would anyone want this. This is an amp simulation right? If I plugged my EP into an amp and played and then plugged into another amp I would surely have different parameters that determined volume. But, if I went back to that first amp, it should be just as I left it; not quieter.

I don't mind so much that the amp simulation changes the volume, but that it should be consistent. Amp1 shouldn't be quieter just because I decided to go back to it.

I guess an simpler question... why the volume change. If it was left the same there wouldn't be any issues.

BTW thanks for testing for the other issues. Seems like a small association issue that could be resolved by some simple programming.

jerrythek · Post by **jerrythek** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:57 pm

mackbaz wrote: As far as the other issue. When I select my preset the editor shows it as using the correct main sound, but the knob (no matter if I am plugged into the computer or not) represents the wrong sound. Say I have selected hard dyno as a favorite. When I select that favorite, I indeed hear the hard dyno, but the light on the sound knob indicates hard tine. Its a small annoyance, but I didn't pay $2000 for an annoyance.

This issue is only about sounds stored in the Favorites location. If it is a new/additional/different sound than any of the 36 locations it will do this - it still points to the basic sound category/location that the sound was edited from in our development system (it seems to me).

So the only other design choice would be for it to go dark/blank, to say that it isn't coming from ANY of the 36 knob locations. Would that be less of an annoyance to you?

Regards,

Jerry

jerrythek · Post by **jerrythek** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:09 pm

mackbaz wrote:It does make sense, but from a non-programming point of view, why would anyone want this. This is an amp simulation right? If I plugged my EP into an amp and played and then plugged into another amp I would surely have different parameters that determined volume. But, if I went back to that first amp, it should be just as I left it; not quieter.

I don't mind so much that the amp simulation changes the volume, but that it should be consistent. Amp1 shouldn't be quieter just because I decided to go back to it.

I guess an simpler question... why the volume change. If it was left the same there wouldn't be any issues.

Yes, I hear you, but it's the way they designed the product - calling up a new amp "retrieves" a stored state of the amp and it's parameters. I'm not really going to defend it, I hear and understand you completely.

BTW: from the Editor changing an amp won't also change the Cabinet, though, as the front panel does... Just FYI.

I hope this information/confirmation helps, even if it isn't a real solution.

Regards,

Jerry

mackbaz · Post by **mackbaz** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:15 pm

Are you sure? I made a custom set of favorites that included sounds straight from the bank. I just wanted Hard dyno as a preset, its not a custom sound.For example if I select hard dyno, which I think was 1.5, and then set it as a favorite, it sounds correct when I load the favorite. But the knob actually indicates hard tine which I think is 1.2.

Try setting the standard sounds as favorites and you will see what I mean.

Does this mean that hard dyno was developed from whatever was in bank 1.2? Why can't it just reflect the sound that it is... Hard Dyno 1.5.

Your explanation makes sense for the splits to which I can't idividually select (like the fretless bass portion of a split).

But with the EPs, they are right there; no need to show it coming from somewhere else.

BTW, for the design for the splits it would make sense to just have the light at the bottom or off, so that you don't have to decide whether to turn left or right... you just turn right to get to the next one.

mackbaz · Post by **mackbaz** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:20 pm

jerrythek wrote:
mackbaz wrote:It does make sense, but from a non-programming point of view, why would anyone want this. This is an amp simulation right? If I plugged my EP into an amp and played and then plugged into another amp I would surely have different parameters that determined volume. But, if I went back to that first amp, it should be just as I left it; not quieter.

I don't mind so much that the amp simulation changes the volume, but that it should be consistent. Amp1 shouldn't be quieter just because I decided to go back to it.

I guess an simpler question... why the volume change. If it was left the same there wouldn't be any issues.
Yes, I hear you, but it's the way they designed the product - calling up a new amp "retrieves" a stored state of the amp and it's parameters. I'm not really going to defend it, I hear and understand you completely.

BTW: from the Editor changing an amp won't also change the Cabinet, though, as the front panel does... Just FYI.

I hope this information/confirmation helps, even if it isn't a real solution.

Regards,

Jerry

One more question about the amp issue. why does toggling the on/off switch for the amps not change the volume, but turning the knob does. Does the on/off state not "retrieve" the amp information as well.

It just seems like this could be resolved somehow.. it wasn't an issue at all in sp1, but I would really like to use some of these new sounds without having to dial in every time.

Just plug and play; 'twas the mission of this board right?

jerrythek · Post by **jerrythek** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:38 pm

mackbaz wrote: One more question about the amp issue. why does toggling the on/off switch for the amps not change the volume, but turning the knob does. Does the on/off state not "retrieve" the amp information as well.

Exactly - it just bypasses the circuitry.

It just seems like this could be resolved somehow.. it wasn't an issue at all in sp1, but I would really like to use some of these new sounds without having to dial in every time.

SP1 sounds were basically made at the same time as the preload so they used the same "programming philosophy" for the amp settings. But it's a variable system so why not explore more possibilities of the parameters? That's what we did with SP2.

But what are you having to dial in each time you select a sound? I'm not understanding... Use the editor to personalize the sounds as you want, save them that way and then you're good to go...

Regards,

Jerry

mackbaz · Post by **mackbaz** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:47 pm

jerrythek wrote:
mackbaz wrote: One more question about the amp issue. why does toggling the on/off switch for the amps not change the volume, but turning the knob does. Does the on/off state not "retrieve" the amp information as well.
Exactly - it just bypasses the circuitry.

It just seems like this could be resolved somehow.. it wasn't an issue at all in sp1, but I would really like to use some of these new sounds without having to dial in every time.
SP1 sounds were basically made at the same time as the preload so they used the same "programming philosophy" for the amp settings. But it's a variable system so why not explore more possibilities of the parameters? That's what we did with SP2.

But what are you having to dial in each time you select a sound? I'm not understanding... Use the editor to personalize the sounds as you want, save them that way and then you're good to go...

Regards,

Jerry

A good answer to why not explore, is that this is a release to the public and there is glitch. Glitches are for betas. I'm not seeing an advantage to the new philosophy other than by default some of my sounds are louder. This is more than offset by the fact that the amp simulations don't match the volume on the fly

The editor is good for the settings I define, but if I decide I wanted to venture off into one of my other sounds and I want to change the amp, I have to adjust the volume as well. Regardless of why its happening if I don't have my computer I have to adjust the volume when all I should be doing is changing a sound.

The editor is a great tool, but please don't recommend it as a solution. This is a keyboard, not a two part workstation. It should work by itself when I want it to.

I'm sorry if I am seeming rude, but I am just frustrated by having all these nice sounds, but with a road block in implementation.

jerrythek · Post by **jerrythek** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:04 am

Well, I have tried to answer everything I know about, and to help as much as possible.

The main issue seems to come down to you want to use the new sounds but be free to change the amp settings from the front panel, which is already a form of editing beyond turning on and off an effect and adjusting it's speed etc. And the final answer/observation is that you can't do that. I don't personally find that at any time changing the amps or adjusting the gain more than 1 tick in either direction was ever very effective without using the editor, personally. And that doesn't stop me from playing and enjoying all the sounds.

I respect your desire to do that, and to want that. But there's no simple answer to help you achieve that beyond a redesign of how the amp section works. So all I can say is, duly noted. Thanks for the input - I will share it with the development team.

Regards,

Jerry

mackbaz · Post by **mackbaz** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:06 am

jerrythek wrote:Well, I have tried to answer everything I know about, and to help as much as possible.

The main issue seems to come down to you want to use the new sounds but be free to change the amp settings from the front panel, which is already a form of editing beyond turning on and off an effect and adjusting it's speed etc. And the final answer/observation is that you can't do that. I don't personally find that at any time changing the amps or adjusting the gain more than 1 tick in either direction was ever very effective without using the editor, personally. And that doesn't stop me from playing and enjoying all the sounds.

I respect your desire to do that, and to want that. But there's no simple answer to help you achieve that beyond a redesign of how the amp section works. So all I can say is, duly noted. Thanks for the input - I will share it with the development team.

Regards,

Jerry

I really do appreciate the input. I'll see what I can do to get this set up for my taste... what about the knob reflecting the wrong sound for the favorite though.. have you tested that at all. That just seems like a mistake. If my favorite is based on 1.5 then it should light up 1.5, not 1.2

Am I missing something?

velour100 · Post by **velour100** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:54 am

Hello Mackbaz,

I have experience the same problem as you, when it comes to the wrong sound of the favorite that lights up..

But to be honest.. I have experienced it already from the SP1 and OS1 update.

I hear that the sound is correct, but it would be nice if the right led would light up..

When it comes to the sounds and the Amp settings, I haven't tested it out yet. I just put some sounds on my SV1 that I really needed.

Greetings from Europe, The Netherlands,

Velour