THE NEW KORG M4 !!!!
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Ultimate Dj
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i prefer a whole new workstation based on moss and mmt technology rather than the eds or if it based on eds at least it should have 12 voices board ..it will be ahit and many will be encouraged to buy it ,since the m3 was not that hit in all domains..
current gear: korg T3 EX,Ketron vega ex4 ,shure microphone ,sony pro headphones
software: korg legacy collection digtal edition,cubase5,sonar7.
past gear:yamaha A3,gem WS1,korg pa50/80,i30,triton le,pa800,ketron vega
software: korg legacy collection digtal edition,cubase5,sonar7.
past gear:yamaha A3,gem WS1,korg pa50/80,i30,triton le,pa800,ketron vega
On the subject of OS wishlist:
1. Program navigation: I use Program mode a lot when playing live, i like the flexibility of having all the effects, simplicity of controller routings, and often times 1 good voice is all I need.
Navigation though sucks. Within a category you're not even presented with the full Program name- it cuts off if its at all long. There's plenty of room (like along the top) to display the full name of the currently selected Program. That's certainly easy to fix.
And if you're in a sub-category and decide you want to be all the way out to the main screen, IT CUTS OFF THE SOUND FOR A SEC! WTF? Really don't understand why that's necessary, all parameters are already loaded and its not like the board is going into another mode. This makes navigation using category search in a live or jam session difficult.
And being in that sub-category i'm kind of STUCK: not only can you NOT see the full name of the program being played, you can't go directly to the main Program page, can't go directly to any other mode, don't have access to seeing the control screen for the sliders, and the only way out of this one way alley is to cut off the sound (and the drums). Makes no sense to me.
All of which is a shame, cause this is one of the main things I like about the M3 compared to my XS: the categories are ones you can create to a large degree and you can even rename and change up the 'preset programs'. Too bad the sub-category implementation is so flawed.
2. User drum patterns
I love jammin' along with the drum patterns but i've no idea in hell why Korg crippled the User drum pattern capability. In order to rename or in any way create my own list of drum patterns i like, I have to jump thru so many technical hurdles that I don't even go there. As a result the drum machine gets far less use, as I haven't been able to simply build up a user library of the ones i like. Having 600 + patterns is great, but i don't use it nearly as much as i would if i could treat them like I can the preset Programs: rename and move as needed in my own categories, or at the very least in my User Drum pattern area.
Also- whle I love many of the drum patterns, it's not a fully implemented feature. Like with KARMA, there are endless ways of changing up the algorithms, but not so with these drum patterns, there just fixed patterns. Even the XS, while having an arp system that I don't care for much, at least with their arps you can change up the drum pattern arps in a way similar to KARMA, which can make 1 pattern endlessly variable and interesting.
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Sounds like a number of folks agree we need a new, more focused O.S. wishlist sticky. Perhaps a second sticky for the next generation board so that if people start posting hardware upgrades it can be moved by the moderator to the appropriate sticky?
Randyman
1. Program navigation: I use Program mode a lot when playing live, i like the flexibility of having all the effects, simplicity of controller routings, and often times 1 good voice is all I need.
Navigation though sucks. Within a category you're not even presented with the full Program name- it cuts off if its at all long. There's plenty of room (like along the top) to display the full name of the currently selected Program. That's certainly easy to fix.
And if you're in a sub-category and decide you want to be all the way out to the main screen, IT CUTS OFF THE SOUND FOR A SEC! WTF? Really don't understand why that's necessary, all parameters are already loaded and its not like the board is going into another mode. This makes navigation using category search in a live or jam session difficult.
And being in that sub-category i'm kind of STUCK: not only can you NOT see the full name of the program being played, you can't go directly to the main Program page, can't go directly to any other mode, don't have access to seeing the control screen for the sliders, and the only way out of this one way alley is to cut off the sound (and the drums). Makes no sense to me.
All of which is a shame, cause this is one of the main things I like about the M3 compared to my XS: the categories are ones you can create to a large degree and you can even rename and change up the 'preset programs'. Too bad the sub-category implementation is so flawed.
2. User drum patterns
I love jammin' along with the drum patterns but i've no idea in hell why Korg crippled the User drum pattern capability. In order to rename or in any way create my own list of drum patterns i like, I have to jump thru so many technical hurdles that I don't even go there. As a result the drum machine gets far less use, as I haven't been able to simply build up a user library of the ones i like. Having 600 + patterns is great, but i don't use it nearly as much as i would if i could treat them like I can the preset Programs: rename and move as needed in my own categories, or at the very least in my User Drum pattern area.
Also- whle I love many of the drum patterns, it's not a fully implemented feature. Like with KARMA, there are endless ways of changing up the algorithms, but not so with these drum patterns, there just fixed patterns. Even the XS, while having an arp system that I don't care for much, at least with their arps you can change up the drum pattern arps in a way similar to KARMA, which can make 1 pattern endlessly variable and interesting.
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Sounds like a number of folks agree we need a new, more focused O.S. wishlist sticky. Perhaps a second sticky for the next generation board so that if people start posting hardware upgrades it can be moved by the moderator to the appropriate sticky?
Randyman
Let this be an official notice:
MOSS IS DEAD
Let it go. Seriously. LET. IT. GO.
-Mc
MOSS IS DEAD
Let it go. Seriously. LET. IT. GO.
-Mc
Current Korg Gear: KRONOS 88 (4GB), M50-73 (PS mod), RADIAS-73, Electribe MX, Triton Pro (MOSS, SCSI, CF, 64MB RAM), SQ-64, DVP-1, MEX-8000, MR-1, KAOSSilator, nanoKey, nanoKontrol, 3x nanoPad 2, 3x DS1H, 7x PS1, FC7 (yes Korg, NOT Yamaha).
i will really appreciate a piano-roll / TB303-like interface for drum programming,
no cutoff of sounds when changing patches (better said, suspended notes remains but as i change program the new set of IFX/TX/MFX is applied even before new notes are played...)
then a VA-like program structure even w/o EXB-Radias, having possibility to choose the program structure as in V-synth will be great.
no cutoff of sounds when changing patches (better said, suspended notes remains but as i change program the new set of IFX/TX/MFX is applied even before new notes are played...)
then a VA-like program structure even w/o EXB-Radias, having possibility to choose the program structure as in V-synth will be great.
A New Slow Arrival
Why be feed up with Korg because they havn't released a new follow up workstation,
Its obvious the next creation is going to be more powerfull then the last one, we should give Korg all the time they need so they can give us what we need.
Its obvious the next creation is going to be more powerfull then the last one, we should give Korg all the time they need so they can give us what we need.
Re: A New Slow Arrival
I don't understand M3 owners asking Korg for a new workstation. The longer it takes, the better chance we have of a significant M3 OS upgrade. Had they released an "M4" a year or two after the M3, we wouldn't have gotten V2 OS and 4 free expansion.RAYDAR wrote:Why be feed up with Korg because they havn't released a new follow up workstation,
Its obvious the next creation is going to be more powerfull then the last one, we should give Korg all the time they need so they can give us what we need.
Whatever...
Even if they released an M4, I wouldn't buy it because I just bought the M50 and M3. I'd imagine most M3/M50 owners would be in the same boat.
-Mc
Current Korg Gear: KRONOS 88 (4GB), M50-73 (PS mod), RADIAS-73, Electribe MX, Triton Pro (MOSS, SCSI, CF, 64MB RAM), SQ-64, DVP-1, MEX-8000, MR-1, KAOSSilator, nanoKey, nanoKontrol, 3x nanoPad 2, 3x DS1H, 7x PS1, FC7 (yes Korg, NOT Yamaha).
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cminor
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McHale it is very true...
And as I said, I don't think that Korg did the best of the M3.
They are still many resources that could make it much better.
THe most easy and maybe wanted, are the EX-USB PCM options that could be a boost for M3.
If they look in to the Roland "garden", this was the system for the Fantom-X.
The SRX cards are a treasure.
Pity that they are not compatible with Fantom-G, but as I heard , they are part of the G's ROM.
Anyway.
9-10 of those EX-PCM could sell much M3's.
And as I said, I don't think that Korg did the best of the M3.
They are still many resources that could make it much better.
THe most easy and maybe wanted, are the EX-USB PCM options that could be a boost for M3.
If they look in to the Roland "garden", this was the system for the Fantom-X.
The SRX cards are a treasure.
Pity that they are not compatible with Fantom-G, but as I heard , they are part of the G's ROM.
Anyway.
9-10 of those EX-PCM could sell much M3's.
Korg M3-61, Korg i40m, Kurzweil SP76
with maybe some enhancement to OS as asked in the wishlist will be very appreciated more than an m4...
then let me say that i hope korg won't take the yamaha path where the motif XF is "just" a XS on steroids but no any real innovation.
better do it like novation does with Ultranova where it seems that they are introducing a new way of controlling synth during perfomance thanks to touch knobs
then let me say that i hope korg won't take the yamaha path where the motif XF is "just" a XS on steroids but no any real innovation.
better do it like novation does with Ultranova where it seems that they are introducing a new way of controlling synth during perfomance thanks to touch knobs
M4 should pick up a lot of Oasys technollogy .. it should run EXi instruments.. otherwise Korg spend a lot of money without reusing them.
M4 should have even more controbillity. I'd love to see 8 knobs added above the Karma part.
M4 should have the next gen Karma engine like 3+
M4 should have an improved sound structure...
M4 should have many many tools to controll VST's running on a remote computer.
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Personally i'd love to see a sound engine like V-synth or Alchemy VST where different sound sources can be modulated by the different kinds of modulation. That would add much more synthesys to the workstation. If hardware wants to make the difference they should step away from turning intoo romplers.
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And what should stay from M3. .... The sepperation between the keyboards and the soundmodule.
M4 should have even more controbillity. I'd love to see 8 knobs added above the Karma part.
M4 should have the next gen Karma engine like 3+
M4 should have an improved sound structure...
M4 should have many many tools to controll VST's running on a remote computer.
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Personally i'd love to see a sound engine like V-synth or Alchemy VST where different sound sources can be modulated by the different kinds of modulation. That would add much more synthesys to the workstation. If hardware wants to make the difference they should step away from turning intoo romplers.
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And what should stay from M3. .... The sepperation between the keyboards and the soundmodule.
Guess what, i have started using an S90ES based on the Motif ES, its basically the same sounds as XS and XF but i have 3 plugins for analog modelling, virtual acoustics and DX/FM sounds. And i can't see any reason to upgrade to XS or XF. It works perfectly fine together with my M3 module and my software set-up.kimu wrote:with maybe some enhancement to OS as asked in the wishlist will be very appreciated more than an m4...
then let me say that i hope korg won't take the yamaha path where the motif XF is "just" a XS on steroids but no any real innovation.
better do it like novation does with Ultranova where it seems that they are introducing a new way of controlling synth during perfomance thanks to touch knobs