Korg Monotribe - click noise problem -- is this normal ??

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ferryfax
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Post by ferryfax »

I just bought a Monotribe and with the VCF turned right down so no frequency generated there is a loud click when the ribbon is pressed. You can hear this on the speaker and headphones. Is this normal?
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Post by Redmond Barry »

Mine does the same thing. I think it's normal although I can't explain it.
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Post by Tebbes »

Mine does it too, and it totally annoys me! :evil:
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plosive wrote:
robotunes wrote:the click is standard on every synth -- analog and digital -- with superfast envelopes (which is what you want for hard bass and lead sounds). the solution on most synths is to raise the attack and/or release levels of the amp and/or filter just a little bit. unfortunately our monotribes don't have that option.
Yes they do, if you want a fast envelope but not so fast as the first env option that can cause unwanted clicks, put the env on sustain mode |--| instead, then set your envelope up to 1shot or fast (both are retriggered per note, slow is free running). Then use the INT to apply the depth of the Env and the Rate to control the speed. If using Fast mode, use a very slow rate (almost off..). In that setup, you can control the rate of the attack and decay and avoid any clicking. If you still want to use a heavy lfo effect on it but still want the attack, then when recording the notes don't just hold down, record one step at a time (disable other steps, record note, move to next step). Also, flux mode will behave completely differently in regards to the envelopes and is another solution.
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Post by MNK »

Hi guys

My first post and I'm asking about already discussed thing but I just couldn't help it - I had to ask. I understand that monotribe clicks are normal for this type of synth with such envelope. I have seen videos describing the problem but…

I think click noise in mine is a little too much (especially with gate time applied), I didn't hear such a loud noise in example videos. The clicks are present even when I'm increasing the cutoff knob (at the end of video).

http://youtu.be/U9jrPLKoMV0

I don't have a possibility to compare machines side by side so if anybody could set it up like in the video and check if Monotribe does the same? Pretty please :)
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Post by MarcusCarab »

Sounded normal to me -- tried it just to be sure, and yeah, mine sounds basically the same. I highly doubt it's a defective unit. I have found with mine that, sometimes, the clicks seem ridiculous then other times i use it for hours without noticing any -- even subtle differences in the settings can have an impact.

Now, here's something I'm not sure about, but I'll offer it up in case someone with more knowledge can confirm/deny: I think the clicks *may* be impacted by how well-grounded the synth is, and the possibility of some excess charge in the circuit. It could be my imagination, but I think I have found that powering the unit on/off with the VCA level turned all the way down (as advised in the manual) reduces the electrical clicking. But, I really would not be surprised to find out that I'm imagining it...
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Post by MNK »

thx MarcusCarab

I'm much calmer now, I can live with it if it's normal Monotribe limitation. Interesting what you say about this click randomness. I run mine from batteries so I don't thing grounding can help much, but it make sense as it's analog after all.
MarcusCarab wrote:powering the unit on/off with the VCA level turned all the way down (as advised in the manual) reduces the electrical clicking. But, I really would not be surprised to find out that I'm imagining it...
I totally forgot that I should do this, I will from now

Thx for taking your time to test :)
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Post by dubpanda »

MNK wrote: I totally forgot that I should do this, I will from now
So, 2nd opinion? Does this reduce the volume of the clicking?

Also has anyone tried to just EQ it out?
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Post by Ghack »

Hi. I just got a Monotribe and I can't hear the synthpart at all. All I get is this clicking noise, and it sounds exactly like bas drum. Trying all kinds of different settings but nothing happens, except that sometimes the synth makes actual synthsounds but very very low volume but the clicking is still there over it.
Anyone else had the same problem?
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Post by MarcusCarab »

Sounds to me like you just have your synth settings all wrong...

Start by turning the VCA Level up, and the VCF Cutoff up to halfway or more, the VCF Peak down low or at zero, and the LFO Int. to zero.

That should give you a nice clean synth tone no matter what your other settings are at. Record some notes like that and leave them playing while you tweak the other knobs, and all the settings should start to make sense.
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Post by MarcusCarab »

Also, you may find it helpful to read up a bit on how Subtractive Synthesis works -- the Logic Pro documentation offers a pretty solid explanation of the general principles, which apply in pretty much the same way to the Monotribe:

http://documentation.apple.com/en/logic ... tasks=true
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Post by Karg »

Hi,

there is a very easy solution to the clicking problem. The envelop needs to be made just a little bit softer by adding (even if this sounds complicated, it actually is really! simple) a capacitor. I just have published detailed instructions on my blog: http://karg-music.blogspot.de/2015/12/m ... licks.html

Best,
Karg
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Post by jiggityj »

Yeah I've added those 1µF capacitors in both Monotribes. Makes a HUGE difference. The clicks are barely noticeable.
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