How is it for you ? All Kronos customers, please take part.

[BasariStudios]

I wont tell a woman she looks pretty if she is ugly...just to be nice...i would
tell her she is ugly...so she can go and improve herself...

You clearly don't know any women!!

We'll open another topic on it...in General...

[cello]

I wont tell a woman she looks pretty if she is ugly...just to be nice...i would
tell her she is ugly...so she can go and improve herself...

You clearly don't know any women!!

We'll open another topic on it...in General...

Never, ever tell a woman she's ugly... explosion in face likely!

I'm reminded of Winston Churchill who had an exchange in the UK Parliament (Government - house of senate kind of thing) where a woman accused him (prime minister - president - at the time) of being drunk. He replied "Madame may well be right but I shall be sober in the morning, unlike madame who will still be ugly"...

[PianoManChuck]

BasariStudios does have a point with the depth in which people use their synths. However, there's a lot more functionality to this synth than any one person is going to need. On the other hand, as long as the synth does the job for the user - no matter how technical or novice that user may be - that's all that matters.
Your point of bringing up all these things that most people don't use is like me saying that someone can't possibly say that their car is perfect because they never did their own tuneup or changed their own spark plugs or replaced the head gaskets. While I agree that someone who delves into the depths of the inner workings of cars or synthesizers may find more problems than your average user, consumer reports are based on the experiences of the products users, no matter how technical or novice they may be.
So while BasariStudios brings up some valid points, overall I'll have to agree with Runningman67 in that as a general user, I'll value the experiences of other general users.
Getting back to my car analogy, it may be a bitch to change the spark plugs, but that's not what I buy a car for. Same with the synth... might be difficult to do the kinds of things you'd like to do, but most of us aren't at that level. Kudos to you for being at that level though.

[jeremykeys]

Hi there BesariStudios! Thanks for the advice. I'll give it a try. First though I want to fool around more with the drum machine and sequencer. Had to give up cigarettes. For the last several years I've been using my old Yamaha QX-3 and my 16G. I have to admit that I'm more than a bit daunted by the Kronos and also lazy and once I've got a working system I'm hesitant to change but I figure with all this technology I can actually have a 32 track studio with 32 MIDI tracks as well. Whatever happened to the days of the Portastudio on cassette?

[BasariStudios]

Chuck, you are completely right and i totally agree with you but there is
something else to it...of course everyone has their needs and knowledge
but your needs and knowledge cannot be judged or justified on mine or
vice versa...if i use my Kronos just to turn it on and play Sounds that
wouldnt justify your unsatisfaction. Also, this is not a question of WAY OF
DOING THINGS or NEW THINGS...it is more of a I PAID FOR THIS BUT IT
DOESNT WORK PROPERLY...thats the whole point.
Now, if Runningman is a general user that cannot be a justification to the
rest of us that Kronos is in Full Working Condition, if the guy knows nothing
about it and his word is taken then that hurts us who actually know something about it.
I hope noone gets offended, i am just being real.

Jeremy, i used to record with 2 radios, record on one, playback, play the
instrument while on the second recording the first tape and my second
take...by the end of back and forth...it didnt even sound like music...lolz.

[RonF]

I have to agree with BasariStudios. The Kronos has listed specifications and features. If something doesn't work on one, then it doesn't work on all. Whether a particular user doesn't choose to USE a particular feature is irrelevant. If ONE user uses the most unlikely and advanced feature....if it is in the specs.....then it is supposed to work, and that is what that ONE user paid for. Many other users may not use that ONE feature NOW...but aspire to learn and grow into the instrument and use it LATER. Either way...it should just work. Having said that......few products with complex operating systems work perfectly, especially in a 1.X release.

PS...I made some of the most inspired and complex music of my life on a 4 track portastudio. The HISS was unreal, but who cared, it was a means to get out the music. I jammed 32 tracks into 4...with no sync....I love listening to those tapes......keep saying to myself...NOW I should remake those tunes. Not sure I even could reproduce the FEEL of them however....surely forgot the chord progressions by now too.

[keyplayer14]

Not even sure whether to post, but here goes....

I actually find myself in a pretty difficult position. I've had instances of the note muting issue - but seemingly not to the extent of other people reporting the problem. I certainly can't reproduce it on demand - but occasionally, it happens. No telling when, yesterday I played it for something like eight hours without noticing a single occurence. Other days I'll notice maybe three or four instances...sometimes more, sometimes less.
So...do I return a board which I'm overall really happy with.. for a fault which may or may not be picked up...and run the risk of another long wait for a replacement...or accept it as a minor quirk, which I'm ALMOST prepared to do, except that of course it's not really acceptable at all..and it may get worse....
Plus the fact that it's already well down the path of being integrated into my gigging setup, and I've not noticed it once on a gig, but then again on a gig it's probably going to get missed, unless it occurs in a really obvious solo passage..
What do you guys think?

[panrixx]

If it were me, I'd wait for the upcoming OS update first and see if that improves/cures the problem.

[dregsor]

I wont tell a woman she looks pretty if she is ugly...just to be nice...i would
tell her she is ugly...so she can go and improve herself...

You clearly don't know any women!!

It's kind of hard to believe he's still alive.

[BasariStudios]

I wont tell a woman she looks pretty if she is ugly...just to be nice...i would
tell her she is ugly...so she can go and improve herself...

You clearly don't know any women!!

It's kind of hard to believe he's still alive.

Oh trust me...i've been slapped...i know no shame...lolz

[Vlad_77]

I have not gotten into the very deepest almost fathomless depths of Kronos as Nedim has suggested but I have run it through some rigorous tests to see if I CAN make it glitch - I do this with every instrument. And I am pleased that Kronos is behaving like a champ. I had ONE issue where it told me to reinstall the OS. So I turned it off, waited 10 seconds, then turned it on again. That was is June and it happened only that one time during boot up. Other than that one instance I have had no problems at all with Kronos. Now if this poll was concerned with the strangeness of KorgSpeak and the differences between "writing" and "saving" then perhaps I would voice some issues, but those issues are really born out of adapting to a different vocabulary which we all do from brand to brand.

I will admit that the data wheel doesn't have that tight feeling I have found in Roland and Kurzweil, but then again, I was never in the habit of spinning these things rapidly. I use the master slider for coarse control when programming and the data for fine tuning. The vector stick has gotten some bad press but I suspect that those people giving the bad press never owned a Wavestation. The stick on that classic feels just the same - and considering its function I am GLAD it feels loose.

I AM noticing that there seems to be more issues with the 73. I had ordered one but with all the uncertainty of the release date I changed to a 61. I love this thing and will probably MARRY it once the OS update is a reality.

Ahimsa,
Vlad

[popmann]

Mine is fully working. The significance to this...is, for those who don't know me elsewhere on the net--I'm kind of a whiny biatch. ...nah--but, my point is, that I'm not forgiving of poor performance.

I could make a laundry list of things I don't really LIKE about it...but, that's how my brain works. I'm an IT architect by trade--I'm always looking for the "what could be better". Big picture design...but, no unit/system is perfect.

But, if I had any defects...it would've gone back. This isn't really a board I "needed"...so much as I frankly wanted to reward Korg for FINALLY making a sort of "best of the pop era" board--pianos to organs to analog to FM and PCM synths/sampler-all in one unit. It's all pretty mature tech at this point--there's no reason why this couldn't happen in an embedded system-been saying that for years...would've NEVER thought Korg would've been the ones to do it--but, they were.

[PianoManChuck]

Chuck, you are completely right and i totally agree with you but there is
something else to it...of course everyone has their needs and knowledge
but your needs and knowledge cannot be judged or justified on mine or
vice versa...if i use my Kronos just to turn it on and play Sounds that
wouldnt justify your unsatisfaction. Also, this is not a question of WAY OF
DOING THINGS or NEW THINGS...it is more of a I PAID FOR THIS BUT IT
DOESNT WORK PROPERLY...thats the whole point.

And I also agree with you 100%. Not only do I agree with you, I'm ecstatic that there ARE people like you that delve into it totally like you do. Why? Because there's not enough of you... meaning that Korg is going by what the general user(s) are reporting as bugs. I'm sure most of the beta testers prior to its release were more "general" users... and that the heavier, techier users were probably Korg staff. With more people like you, Korg can actually learn of problems that need to be dealt with... more so than from general users. I'm finding myself slowly getting deeper into this instrument... and eventually will find some of the problems you mentioned, and I'm sure that's going to get me PO'd. But I have the luxury of taking my time with it, and will probably get to those levels once Korg fixes it with an OS update or two (or three) from now... and I'll have people like you to thank for it.

Oh... one more thing... we all know that we should never really buy a brand new release of anything, that it should be given a year to work the bugs out. People like you and I and everyone else here should know that. But we chose to buy it anyway... so I think a few bugs here and there are to be expected. We (more you) are shaping the future of this product's stability.

[BasariStudios]

With more people like you, Korg can actually learn of problems that need to be dealt with... more so than from general users.

No, they are affraid of people like me...why do you think they offered me
other third party stuff but not a BetaTester...cuz they know how i deal with
synths...and when something like this then whole of Italy and Japan write
me e-mails...they shut me off few times, it was worth it but...i dont know.
I am not really complaining about Korg on this topic, i know how things work
and i know this is the first OS...the circus with me its gonna be when 1.5 is
released and i start all THIS...now i complain more about the General Users
on which Korg should not base the stability of an instrument becuse then when
people like me jump up then we sound rebelious and arogant, which is not true.

[Dniss]

The only prblm I had are known bugs that Korg will address in the next os.

Other than that I have no real issue. Took it along for a gig and I could tell my sound quality improved by a reasonnable margin.

I think the piano needs tweaking for gig performance. I must admit I'm a little disapointed with the organs, I sure we'll get better ones eventually.

The ribbon seems to be acting weird if you reach any of the edges: In certain situations, I'm getting small sound artifact or the effect resets altogether.

I also find some option tougher to select on the touch screen. Like the disk selection in Disk mode.

I'd consider these my only beef with the unit. Nothing major. I hope we get some kind of replacement service for the ribbon eventually. Well at least mine if it's not a common issue.

Overall, still, I'm extremly pleased with this unit and its potential.

I like the control surface and all the little lights. lol. I find korg paid some attention to details, also for the way the controls interact with the context.

I'd buy it again. It's a no brainer.