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CharlesFerraro · Post by **CharlesFerraro** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:50 am

Best way to mimic the PCM waveforms is to use the DWGS waves. Some of them may in fact be the same waveforms with different names. Hunt around. You wont get any of the acoustic samples on the R3 such as the slap bass though.

EDIT: Oh wait, you can't hear the XL waveforms since you don't own the unit. Derp. See if someone with an XL would be kind enough to upload samples of the PCM waves you need to hear onto soundcloud or something.

You could also go to Guitar Center or similar outlet, initialize a patch on an XL on the floor, then record the pcm's you need to hear with a laptop or handheld field recorder etc.

All in all I think you're s**t out of luck.

Kernalsound · Post by **Kernalsound** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:50 pm

Funny you suggested that. I was just there the other day going through those sounds but didnt think to bring a recording device. Thanks for the quick reply. Does the Radias do everything that the R3 and XL do? Does it have more PCM capability than the XL? Sorry for so many question. Im sure it does. Even if I am not able to get an exact copy of the XL I will still have more patches to alter and make my own. Like you said I guess I will have to tweak some of those instruments. The XL looks like it has a few more pads. But there are so many more people who share their R3 patches. I have about 12 libraries so far and look forward to sharing mine when its complete. Im sure there are even more who share their Radias patches. How many libraries have you come across? Ok thats it for questions in this post. I tend to Geek out about my beer and now it seems that im doing the same about my synth tech.

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:55 pm

The Radias does everything the R3 does any more.

The XL does a fraction (about half) of what the R3 can do. But it's got a few 'extras' because for a lot of people it is their only or first-time keyboard/synth.

I think the main thing (that's also quite unusual for a 'pure synth') that you won't find in the R3 or RADIAS is the acoustic piano sample.

Radias has a number of PCM waveforms, including some (fairly usable) strings, noise spectrums, organs, electric pianos, guitars and basses. They're not that bad either and I've made some great patches using them for things other than just wavesequencing.
It also has quite a few drum multisamples.

The R3 has only DWGS (static digital wavetable) waveforms - no real PCM samples. The Radias also has most of these - most of the rest have an equivalent DWGS waveform in the R3.

Radias is also a lot easier to program from the front panel. whilst not every parameter has a knob, the menu layout is fairly simple and the screen shows just enough information (I hardly ever touch the editor except to make saves and backups).

Morshu · Post by **Morshu** » Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:41 pm

well i figured out what makes the orchestra hit, although its extraordinarily difficult ro replicate on the r3, i need a super realistic string patch that takes only one timbre, and the bell dwgs which i already have, in order to create it.

but the problem is, there is no string waveform on the r3 like on the xl.

those TRstring programs were close, but i couldnt make them behave the same way as the PCM string sounds

Kernalsound · Post by **Kernalsound** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:40 am

While doing these conversions in the editor I noticed that in a Single layer voice Timbre 2 is shut off but it still has settings. Are these settings relative? Do I need to bother copying if Timbre 2 is shut off with a single layer? And does the TIMBRE 2 MIDI CH. play any part in this? I have seen this shift from Global to 1 in some of the XL programs.

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:21 am

Kernalsound wrote:While doing these conversions in the editor I noticed that in a Single layer voice Timbre 2 is shut off but it still has settings. Are these settings relative? Do I need to bother copying if Timbre 2 is shut off with a single layer? And does the TIMBRE 2 MIDI CH. play any part in this? I have seen this shift from Global to 1 in some of the XL programs.

Unless you have a 2nd MIDI controller set up for your R3 (almost not worth it with so little polyphony), you're best leaving it to G (not 1).
Channel 1 means specifically to use Ch1 (no matter whether it is the global channel or not). This means if you share this patch with other people who use a global channel other than 1 (For whatever reasons. I do it in my MIDI setup), they won't get any sound out of your patches without going in and changing it to G or their MIDI channel.
G means it defaults to the Global MIDI channel no matter what it is set to, which basically means any timbre that you want to be played from the unit's built in keyboard.

as for Timbre2 settings. If the timbre is turned off (single layer program), then the settings don't make any difference. However in some cases a timber could be turned off but have settings, intended as a performance aspect - you could turn that timbre on later to bring an extra element into the patch for example. I do this sometimes on my Radias at least. I might have a pad with an arpeggio, the arpeggio timbre turned off until I turn it on from the front panel.

Kernalsound · Post by **Kernalsound** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:09 am

Thanks again. Will try to switch it on and off while playing. Think I will get the Radias one day but there is so much to explore with my R3. So I dont have to go back later I will copy the second timbre even if it is turned off. Hope you will still be active with the forum when I get the Radias. You have been a big help. Hope to return the favor.

Johnny Sniper · Post by **Johnny Sniper** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:01 am

I really love the soft punch that the main chorus synth gives off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWxJgMBsiWc

Starts at 0:31

Seems like it has a reverb effect to it?

Morshu · Post by **Morshu** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:57 pm

BUMP

Hey guys idk about you but i'm suprised we dont have a authentic JUNO BASS patch on the r3, I've found a video of somebody making something that seems pretty close to it though in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNcWHOWmtsg

I've made my own, but i find that the one in this video is alot cleaner.
what exactly is this sound? is it pwm?

Re-Member · Post by **Re-Member** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:55 pm

Morshu wrote:BUMP

Hey guys idk about you but i'm suprised we dont have a authentic JUNO BASS patch on the r3, I've found a video of somebody making something that seems pretty close to it though in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNcWHOWmtsg

I've made my own, but i find that the one in this video is alot cleaner.
what exactly is this sound? is it pwm?

The Juno does indeed have pulse width. I won't post a patch for you, but I'll post some tips to get you started...

The trick to doing Juno sounds is remembering that the Juno only has one envelope that the amp and filter both share. Unless you keep the amp EG with full sustain and zero attack & release, any changes you make on the amp EG needs to match the filter EG and vice versa.

Other things to consider:
- OSC1 should only be set to Pulse Width or Saw
- OSC2 should only be set to Square (this will act as the sub-osc)
- The only hands-on modulation you want is one LFO set to Triangle and only routed to modulate Pitch, Filter and Pulse Width
- Filter 1 set to 24db LP, Filter 2 set to 24db HP
- Chorus only on FX, nothing else.

To emulate the "warmth" of the Juno, set LFO 2 to Random at a really slow rate and route into OSC 2 tuning. Adjust to taste along with the "Analog Drift" feature.

Morshu · Post by **Morshu** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:32 pm

you know the funny thing is i did all of those things, aside from the modulation of the filter and pulsewidth

I did pitch though, although i'm not quite sure if it is supposed to constantly modulate pitch, or be a voice controlled lfo or what, it sounds close, but not quite right.

is there any patch that is similar to it in the r3's factory presets btw?

mesoboy · Post by **mesoboy** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:11 am

is there any patch that is similar to it in the r3's factory presets btw?

1. Turn on R3
2. Do factory reset if necessary
3. Listen to presets
4. Find answer

Eat-Static · Post by **Eat-Static** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:33 pm

mesoboy wrote:1. Turn on R3
2. Do factory reset if necessary
3. Listen to presets
4. Find answer

Dont waste your time posting replies to Morshu's posts it only encourages him to post more..

Eat Static

P.S You are right though mesoboy

Morshu · Post by **Morshu** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:33 pm

Re-Member · Post by **Re-Member** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:59 pm

For the record, my post was merely to throw out info about the Juno 60 for anyone to use. It's actually quite useful to keep cheat sheets of vintage synth specs if you're aiming to replicate the way they function to get better sounding "retro" sounds.

I will also point out the irony that Morshu is asking for a rather simple "Juno bass" patch despite claiming to own the Juno 106 awhile back.

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Dude, thanks again.

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Thanks for your knowledge.