Whither KRONOS v2 Editor?

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:44 am

Saxifraga wrote:The Kronos is more complex of course, but not that complex.

Of course not THAT complex but maybe few hundreds of times more...i mean literally.

Pepperpotty · Post by **Pepperpotty** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:42 am

BasariStudios wrote:
sigiriuk wrote:Kevin - sorry to be a stickler, but the forums are not independent if Korg funds the hsoting.
I have to kinda agree with this, before maybe but now i think Korg is more
involved with us in here, it is not independent anymore.

I'm quite surprised that you would suggest this Nedim. Korg may have a presence on this forum but they have no control in how the forums are run. I have never once received correspondence from anyone at Korg advising me on how to handle a certain situation.

Saxifraga · Post by **Saxifraga** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:30 pm

BasariStudios wrote:
Saxifraga wrote:The Kronos is more complex of course, but not that complex.
Of course not THAT complex but maybe few hundreds of times more...i mean literally.

Just more of the same.
Or do you think it´s so complex to program iOS because there are hundreds of men years of work in it? No. It´s even simpler because of that. Good framework design makes things simpler and more efficient. Bad design choices and legacy code make life complicated.

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:50 pm

Saxifraga wrote:
BasariStudios wrote:
Saxifraga wrote:The Kronos is more complex of course, but not that complex.
Of course not THAT complex but maybe few hundreds of times more...i mean literally.
Just more of the same.
Or do you think it´s so complex to program iOS because there are hundreds of men years of work in it? No. It´s even simpler because of that. Good framework design makes things simpler and more efficient. Bad design choices and legacy code make life complicated.

iOS simple, Kronos sysex simple, complex GUI design simple!

Why don't you knock it up in a couple of hours then?

SoundQuest · Post by **SoundQuest** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:15 pm

ronnfigg wrote:Some features similar to PCG Tools would be nice also- bank management, file management, etc.

I'm not sure what you mean by "file management" but v1 of the editor has both bank management and its own file management.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:45 pm

PCGTools lets you open a pcg file without having a Kronos attached, and move around programs within that file (or to another pcg file) also updating the references to those programs in the combis in the pcg.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:38 pm

Pepperpotty wrote:I'm quite surprised that you would suggest this Nedim. Korg may have a presence on this forum but they have no control in how the forums are run. I have never once received correspondence from anyone at Korg advising me on how to handle a certain situation.

Of course i agree with you too and i know they don't really tell you how to
run but i was just thinking Logically.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:38 pm

Saxifraga wrote:Just more of the same.
Or do you think it´s so complex to program iOS because there are hundreds of men years of work in it? No. It´s even simpler because of that. Good framework design makes things simpler and more efficient. Bad design choices and legacy code make life complicated.

I think you are way off bro...programming iOS is one thing and programming Kronos FOR IOS is another thing.

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:50 pm

BasariStudios wrote:
Pepperpotty wrote:I'm quite surprised that you would suggest this Nedim. Korg may have a presence on this forum but they have no control in how the forums are run. I have never once received correspondence from anyone at Korg advising me on how to handle a certain situation.
Of course i agree with you too and i know they don't really tell you how to
run but i was just thinking Logically.

thinking logically would be observing for some time that this forum is independent based on fact and by action for several years, even while Korg is providing a server.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:11 pm

Yes Greg but Korg has JUST STARTED to host the forum.

Francois · Post by **Francois** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:11 am

It's nearly a year since Korg picked up the tab to host the forum. If their intention was to control it, we would know by now !

SoundQuest · Post by **SoundQuest** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:58 am

SanderXpander wrote:PCGTools lets you open a pcg file without having a Kronos attached, and move around programs within that file (or to another pcg file) also updating the references to those programs in the combis in the pcg.

And so does the editor (in its native file format of course). The editors maintains child links for Combis, Programs, Songs, Drum Kits, and Wave Sequences.

ahutnick · Post by **ahutnick** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:48 am

I understand the editor can edit EXI's . I would like to edit the German piano so that I could use a pedal set to controller 67 to reproduce soft pedal effect in the German Piano. Can the editor do this and if so how? Sorry for going a little OT but this does involve the editor capabilities.

Saxifraga · Post by **Saxifraga** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:41 am

BobTheDog wrote:iOS simple, Kronos sysex simple, complex GUI design simple!
Why don't you knock it up in a couple of hours then?

Some basic fallacies of yours. http://www.fallacyfiles.org/quanfall.html
"Some steps are simple => The whole process is simple."
And where did I say "Kronos sysex simple"?
Another fallacy. Hm.. red hering?

What did I say?
Novation -> 1 Engine = at least 1 Editor (Part)
Korg -> 9 Engines = at least 9 Editors (Parts)
So the problem is only linear. It´s only the sum that´s bigger, not the complexity. Of course any of this Editors can be complex and some more complex then others.

Also Korg could do more then a MIDI sysex (Soundquest) control of the Kronos. There is a Linux machine in there.
There could be libraries in there that implement an API to control the Engine in a more direct and/or abstract manner without MIDI sysex.

And for the implicit ad hominem:
I do this project alone as a hobby.
I earn my money with programming other stuff.
What really needs time is the UI design that does what you need to do in an effective way.
Coding is not that time consuming.

Saxifraga · Post by **Saxifraga** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:03 am

GregC wrote:
BasariStudios wrote:
Pepperpotty wrote:I'm quite surprised that you would suggest this Nedim. Korg may have a presence on this forum but they have no control in how the forums are run. I have never once received correspondence from anyone at Korg advising me on how to handle a certain situation.
Of course i agree with you too and i know they don't really tell you how to
run but i was just thinking Logically.
thinking logically would be observing for some time that this forum is independent based on fact and by action for several years, even while Korg is providing a server.

Faulty logic it is.
You argue the validity of a principle by a timeseries of examples.
"It just not yet happend." is no proof.
You can defend it only by proving:"It can never happen, no matter what."

1. Korg owns the server
2. Moderators sell through Korgs online shop.
Can you call that independent?

If facts 1 and 2 have no consequences to the content of discussions and the behavior of the moderators then that is fine.
And of course this forum is very usefull and I don´t see any danger from it being an indirect part of Korg Inc.
But it´s not "Moderated Independently" anymore. You stress that with undeline in the header. Just remove it and everything is fine. Or write "Mostly Moderated Independently"

For example: If someone sells products to or through an independent NGO he cannot be part of the steering committee of that NGO because of a conflict of interest.

And this is NOT an ad hominem against Sharp.
It´s an adult discussion about a topic of logic and good practices.