Hard to believe: H2-Flex

[John Hendry]

Hi John.
Can you please explain what's interesting about this report?

Urea, urines major ingredient has 4 hydrogen atoms per molecule, but more importantly the hydrogen atoms in urea have a much weaker bond than the hydrogen atoms in H2O which needs 1.23v to break the atoms apart.

I’m not sure how efficient their electrolytic cell is, but I know it gets down to 0.37v using efficient electrodes to break the urea molecule apart and urine is much better to use than water. But like I said it’s hard for me to believe they can get 24 hours of generator time out of only a gallon of urine, but I have no experience with the process to have any scale of reference.

But if it’s that efficient then they don’t need solar panels because they have the generator and can use a battery to start the process.....

The biggest problem they will have if their claim is real, is urea gets converted into ammonia by bacteria and when it’s warm that will happen fast. But this is good thinking because we need to conserve the phosphorus in urine for fertilizer anyway because like oil the deposits of phosphorus will run out too. We are very wasteful critters right now with greed not intelligence driving, and our toys will run out too if we don’t wake up….which brings up good question:

How come the media doesn't cover other more powerful alternative forms of generating electricity to generate funding?

Or how about less powerful ones like the batteries we throw away constantly polluting landfills or worse with cancer rates going up. Like John Hutchison’s crystal batteries…..or should I say Tesla's. Notably, the crystal battery that shows how the game is being played. There are too many links showing hobbyists making them to pick a few out.

The Economist said regarding free energy and the Casimir effect:

“Can something come of nothing? Philosophers debated that question for millennia before physics came up with the answer—and that answer is NO!”

These are the same physicists that say the Universe came from nothing BTW….

If only they had the awareness to turn that logic around……and realize you can’t have nothing without something to create nothing and add the Observer. We are surrounded by vast quantities of energy and {a} is the tap. It’s up the layman now….even dreams and illusions are connected to a true inertial frame of reference.

John^^


"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." - Albert Einstein

[Sharp]

Hi Timo.
It's by no means straight forward. We looked into this with 3 different installation companies.

Sharp, if solar panels break even after 5 years, why aren't we all using them?

5 Years is an average figure for Europe. For the UK and Ireland it's 7.2 years.

The initial cost is quite a lot of money. You would have to spend between £3000 to £5000 UK pounds for a system installed. This systems does NOT store energy for night time use.

It connects directly to your power meter. The more power the panels generate, the slower they make your meter spin. If your not at home during the day using all the power the panels are generating, they can make your meter spin backwards.

At night the panels obviously offer no use.

So, even after dropping 5 grand, you have to wait 7.2 years before you save 5 grand on your dialectical bill, and you will still always have a electrical bill for all the energy you use at night, and all the energy you use during the day which exceed the panels capacity during the times they are generating power from the day you install the system until the day it dies.


Other down sides, the older the panels get, the less efficient they get.
Frost can damage them.
The expected life is 25 years, under optimal conditions.
A warranty on a solar panel is only 10 years.

It's a pretty expensive gamble and that's why people don't really bother with them.

To truly get off the grid you have to go way bigger, spend a lot of money, and put in a system that runs your house off of leisure batteries. Those batteries are stupidly expensive and they have only so many years life.

Using Hydrogen is also not an option as you are only replacing the leisure batteries with a hydrogen cell and a far more complex system.

Or you run a generator of hydrogen. This is also not an option as you would have to run the engine 24/7 just to keep your fridge cool.

So.... unless these kids have come up with a new way to generate hydrogen, this is a scam, or just a variation on existing technology that is useless for real use.

However, 20yrs for clean free energy, that's still not so bad if it means coal and nuclear usage could stand to be minimised, so why isn't everyone on the planet investing and using it?

They don't even get 20 years good energy production from them in an ideal place like a desert as the sand scratches the reflectors. Solar power is just too costly when compared to the alternatives.

A single Wind turbine can power 10,000 homes for example and once installed, you can forget about it for 15 years. They also have far more “Up Time” generating power as they work at night and day, plus they take up a tiny foot print vs the space solar panels need.
There are countless other options that are coming too which offer even better savings. A bloombox for example. These can be installed at substations right now and the power companies could reduce the amount of energy they have to produce in a massive way.

Regards
Sharp

[JimH]

According to a rather….OK very shocking article on Yahoo today 4 girls age 14 and 15 have invented a generator that produces electricity for just over 24 hours on 1 gallon of urine.

I had to laugh when I read this. I imagined driving on the highway seeing urine-powered cars stopped on the shoulder because they ran out of fuel, the drivers trying nonchalantly to pee into their tanks.

[John Hendry]

LOL...that's what I thought too. But I drive a van so a walk to the inside fuel tank intake would get me going again. The 24 hours on a gallon claim is sure hard to believe, but since they are getting the hydrogen atoms from urea molecules it's going to be much more efficient than using water and I wonder if maybe they got lucky using the right materials and found the correct natural harmonic resonance needed to use electricity to separate the atoms like in the movie Chain Reaction. Then it should be possible to change it for water. I think it's just like in the movie but you will need to.... But hydrogen is still too dangerous in the scale needed.

We need something simple, and whether people know it or not CERN opened up the door with announcing v-c/c=2.48e-5 with the Internet setup to let it grow and watch it happen. The "movie version" of a change in physics didn't happen, but another "silent movie" started playing in its place called "Loose Cable" starring the SLAC E158 team who had a loose cable too. Too bad Pythagoras is not here to give us a lecture on the comma and tuning. I'd really like to know why middle C isn't tuned to 512hz and the reference used.

John^^

[Sharp]

Found this.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... Urine.aspx

From 2009.

So not a new idea, but one that has not gone anywhere it seems.

Regards
Sharp

[John Hendry]

A gallon of urine is a lot of urine anyway you look at it and I'm sure that's the problem for most of he world. Hard to get a cow to piss in a jar. Only thing exciting is the 24 hr on a gallon (or 6hr liter) claim otherwise it's old stuff. Since they were demonstrating it the fuel consumption would have been noted....or at least it should have been, jeazz. It would be something new if true and that could be applied elsewhere in other fields of science.

I said:
"0.37v using efficient electrodes to break the urea molecule apart"

That article you linked says that's from nitrogen storage media. So looks like that might not be for uria as I stated, but not worth the time researching it as the more I look the more I see humans have and had have for some time many other inventions that provide clean free energy that are being repressed. Can't say what the correct answer is to that as free energy could and would upset things politically but I kind of like the idea of Democracy not a free-4-all where thugs always win.

John^^