q re setlists NOT loading .sng files to sequencer

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:37 pm

miden wrote:Yeah SE, fwiw, I totally agree with you.

I too think the K is THE best axe going - daylight second!!!

Sorry m8, the comment re the "arranger" stigma in the US was not directed at you. I could have used better syntax

vArranger, while expensive is a superb bit of software!! I even had it running via VSTi's. Sounded pretty awesome with BFD, and ManyBass - I used Lounge Lizard and True Pianos for my keys ...the rest was simply a guitar track or pad/strings etc..All running via the Cantabile VST host using LoopMidi (a software MIDI router).

BUT the big drawback was the lack of midi patch and bank support in most VSTi's, meaning an incredible amount of work to get even the simplest of patterns set right ! And then to set up "presets" of an entire song config within Cantabile. And then the added time of loading in etc etc

The K, was supposed to replace all of that. VST quality sounds, Setlist to link song setups together, smooth transitions and on and on and on

I am still trying to find some sort of decent compromise - maybe even just settle for this...........................

If I want to keep the K, get used to the idea of using a lappy permanently and run all backing tracks (around 35%) arranger styles (about 40-45%) via it, and everything else live from the keyboard.

Thanks for your interest though it is appreciated

Dennis

Hmmm well I don't know how this would work with vArranger but with OMB it works relatively well to choose patterns/sound and 'automatically' configure the Kronos. You basically stay within one sequencer song and it sends programs changes. My two main issues so far have been
1. Lack of good patterns that work well on the Kronos. OMB reads Tyros styles but also assumes Tyros sounds, some things just sound like total crap if you randomly replace the sounds, and need heavy editing/cutting of parts.
2. The IFX/MFX configuration stays static throughout - you just get program changes. I guess this is not a HUGE issue since e.g. the Rhodes and Hammond sounds have their own built in fx, but it's a little annoying.

I guess a similar setup would be usable with vArranger, just using the Kronos and no vsts? I can see why this would be a little disappointing to you. But on the upside at least you don't a separate audio/midi interface, just a USB cable. That was my thought at least when getting OMB, I just haven't had the time to go through all the effort of tweaking all the patterns.

miden · Post by **miden** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:10 pm

Niblit wrote: It's a shame you can't figure it out.. Same old s**t I feel; we all want the latest and greatest gadgets but from my experience, whenever I chose to upgrade my gear it always leaves me a little peeed off.

The new gear as expected, has all the latest MUST HAVE bits and bobs but for some strange reason they seem to leave out the best bits of the gear you just traded in.

WE WILL NEVER WIN !
Best of luck man.

Absolutely niblit - agree 100%

Thanks yeah I might be able to figure something - don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater hey

D

miden · Post by **miden** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:16 pm

SanderXpander wrote: Hmmm well I don't know how this would work with vArranger but with OMB it works relatively well to choose patterns/sound and 'automatically' configure the Kronos. You basically stay within one sequencer song and it sends programs changes. My two main issues so far have been
1. Lack of good patterns that work well on the Kronos. OMB reads Tyros styles but also assumes Tyros sounds, some things just sound like total crap if you randomly replace the sounds, and need heavy editing/cutting of parts.
2. The IFX/MFX configuration stays static throughout - you just get program changes. I guess this is not a HUGE issue since e.g. the Rhodes and Hammond sounds have their own built in fx, but it's a little annoying.

I guess a similar setup would be usable with vArranger, just using the Kronos and no vsts? I can see why this would be a little disappointing to you. But on the upside at least you don't a separate audio/midi interface, just a USB cable. That was my thought at least when getting OMB, I just haven't had the time to go through all the effort of tweaking all the patterns.

Dan (from vArranger) has written into the program all the conversion codes necessary to play Ketron (the native style format), Roland and Yamaha...load a Yammie style and it just plays...auto re-mapped to correct patching..

It's pretty amazing what he has done with it. And that is just the tip of the iceberg - he even has mapping for the Korg Nano boards as well. Even to the point of having the LEDS (nano -version 2 models) light up when in use!!

It is expensive , but with lifetime free upgrades (I have had four, and NOT just bug fixes - full features are added) and almost instant support from the designer himself....it is well worth every cent.

Also it runs from a USB thumb drive so you can run it on ANY PC you like (windows only).

I haven't given up yet, there MIGHT be a methodology...and you are correct, it is not THAT onerous to run a lappy too...Only drawback is it is another vital bit of gear with the potential to crash, and more than likely at the WORST possible moment

Dennis

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:27 am

Hum, I shall have to try that. I wonder how that mapping works or if it is all GM.

Perhaps I can mail him and see if there is a trial version.

Shakil · Post by **Shakil** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:24 pm

miden wrote:
SanderXpander wrote: Hmmm well I don't know how this would work with vArranger but with OMB it works relatively well to choose patterns/sound and 'automatically' configure the Kronos. You basically stay within one sequencer song and it sends programs changes. My two main issues so far have been
1. Lack of good patterns that work well on the Kronos. OMB reads Tyros styles but also assumes Tyros sounds, some things just sound like total crap if you randomly replace the sounds, and need heavy editing/cutting of parts.
2. The IFX/MFX configuration stays static throughout - you just get program changes. I guess this is not a HUGE issue since e.g. the Rhodes and Hammond sounds have their own built in fx, but it's a little annoying.

I guess a similar setup would be usable with vArranger, just using the Kronos and no vsts? I can see why this would be a little disappointing to you. But on the upside at least you don't a separate audio/midi interface, just a USB cable. That was my thought at least when getting OMB, I just haven't had the time to go through all the effort of tweaking all the patterns.
Dan (from vArranger) has written into the program all the conversion codes necessary to play Ketron (the native style format), Roland and Yamaha...load a Yammie style and it just plays...auto re-mapped to correct patching..

It's pretty amazing what he has done with it. And that is just the tip of the iceberg - he even has mapping for the Korg Nano boards as well. Even to the point of having the LEDS (nano -version 2 models) light up when in use!!

It is expensive , but with lifetime free upgrades (I have had four, and NOT just bug fixes - full features are added) and almost instant support from the designer himself....it is well worth every cent.

Also it runs from a USB thumb drive so you can run it on ANY PC you like (windows only).

I haven't given up yet, there MIGHT be a methodology...and you are correct, it is not THAT onerous to run a lappy too...Only drawback is it is another vital bit of gear with the potential to crash, and more than likely at the WORST possible moment

Dennis

Miden,

Regarding the vArranger, does it allow you to record what you are playing and make new styles, store sysex with the styles? I think from KRONOS editor, you can export the SONG settings (track settings, IFX and MFX ) as sysex.

miden · Post by **miden** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:20 pm

Shak that is the ONE thing it cannot do .....YET!!

Dan is working on incorporating editing tools and a VSTi hosting engine. Still some way off yet, but it is coming.

And the next feature to be added shortly is a Playlist tool. Very similar to the Korg Songbook (PA series) and Setlist (Kronos).

@ SanderExpander - No demos unfortunately SE, but he does provide a money back guarantee if you do not like the software...iirc this is 30 days....

DEnnis

vArranger · Post by **vArranger** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:05 pm

Hello everyone,

I am Dan the creator of the vArranger software.

Dennis told me that we are talking about vArranger here, so feel free to ask me any questions.

For now, vArranger can play Ketron, Yamaha and Roland styles I will add Korg styles later.

If you have a workstation, vArranger will adds arrangers features to your setup.

Of course, all styles are not playing 100% good with all synthesizers, but vArranger helps a lot in that task.

Also, if you find a style who does not sound good, you just send it to me, and I will improve the vArranger engine to play your style good without you having to tweek it.

I don't own myself a Kronos, but just bought a Korg PA600 to know more about Korg.

Regards,

Dan