How can we get the file format of style?
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MadrasGiaguari
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Dear Paolo (Tramannoni)
the request for a software to reorganize styles layout is evidently a consistent "refrain" in Korg arrangers community.
I have personally posted about it several times, from the age of Pa1x on, without success.
But, there were people who could do something, like Milan Marcovic (perfect software, till PA1x OS 3.0, that made it not working anymore), or Riccardo.
The question is: if Korg does not want to reveal its own know-how, nobody can argue about.
BUT, if info cannot be revealed, WHY Korg does not make on its own the software we all ask for, even charging a little Price/contribution for it, as I suggested in the past?
Consider that musicians spend quite a bit of money not only for instruments (the keyboard) but also for optional/accessories (EC5, video kit, expression pedal, ecc.): a style librarian would definitely be an interesting option IMHO.
Korg silence ti the many questions/requests/enquires on this matter is almost an offense to CLIENTS who are choosing Korg brand among many options from so long time (personally: i3, i30, Pa1x, and now PA3X).
Don't you (and Korg Executives....) think so?
With kindest personal CIAO
Angelo Ardovino, Roma
I have personally posted about it several times, from the age of Pa1x on, without success.
But, there were people who could do something, like Milan Marcovic (perfect software, till PA1x OS 3.0, that made it not working anymore), or Riccardo.
The question is: if Korg does not want to reveal its own know-how, nobody can argue about.
BUT, if info cannot be revealed, WHY Korg does not make on its own the software we all ask for, even charging a little Price/contribution for it, as I suggested in the past?
Consider that musicians spend quite a bit of money not only for instruments (the keyboard) but also for optional/accessories (EC5, video kit, expression pedal, ecc.): a style librarian would definitely be an interesting option IMHO.
Korg silence ti the many questions/requests/enquires on this matter is almost an offense to CLIENTS who are choosing Korg brand among many options from so long time (personally: i3, i30, Pa1x, and now PA3X).
Don't you (and Korg Executives....) think so?
With kindest personal CIAO
Angelo Ardovino, Roma
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Rob Sherratt
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siebenhirter
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dataformat styles, sysex ..
there is no co-operation from Korg
it is less then this (also in Germanys service).
it ain't gonna happen folks
nevertheless it is appropriate not to mention against that ignorance
i asked for informations about the Sys-Ex-Strings that Korgs-Pa is inserting to each SMF you write or update inside its sequencer. as the answer was less than stupid (we get no information from production in china), i had to analize that sysexs, to be able to select equalizers, track-status, effects, drumfamilies etc within the header of korg-specific prepared SMFs for my Pa500.
not even you get flowcharts about audio-signal to understand how to use effects reasonable.
it is less then this (also in Germanys service).
it ain't gonna happen folks
nevertheless it is appropriate not to mention against that ignorance
i asked for informations about the Sys-Ex-Strings that Korgs-Pa is inserting to each SMF you write or update inside its sequencer. as the answer was less than stupid (we get no information from production in china), i had to analize that sysexs, to be able to select equalizers, track-status, effects, drumfamilies etc within the header of korg-specific prepared SMFs for my Pa500.
not even you get flowcharts about audio-signal to understand how to use effects reasonable.
kind regards
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Interesting facts about styles and stylePlayer functions can be found at http: www.elmarherz.de
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Interesting facts about styles and stylePlayer functions can be found at http: www.elmarherz.de
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Rob Sherratt
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Re: dataformat styles, sysex ..
OK, but my previous offer to write the software is now withdrawn. I am no longer interested in the Korg Pa series keyboards. This is because of the lack of any suitable external sound and style manager for managing a large library, and the lack of support from Korg to assist users. I will be selling my Pa2x and getting the new Roland BK-9. I will use my iPad with the free Roland Sound and Style manager.siebenhirter wrote: it ain't gonna happen folks
nevertheless it is appropriate not to mention against that ignorance
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Rob Sherratt
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Yes. it's a crying shame. The hardware design is great and is undisputably the market leader. It's just the lack of any decent PC/iPad/MAC software utility to manage the data and complexity of SET files and also to assist in creating styles.
Even though the Pa-series has the capability of user sampling, I bet that less than 1% of owners use the capability, because it's too complex.
However a suitable software solution on an external computer could solve that problem as well, giving a very simple way to manage the relationships between User styles/ sounds/ multisamples/ samples.
Two people who have the technical ability and patience to create really good sounds and styles for the Pa series are Asena and Anthony Sharman. Due to the huge amount of time it takes, these after market sounds and styles are at least 10x more time consuming to make than the equivalent on Yamaha and Roland arrangers. And without a decent librarian to manage a large collection of sounds and styles on an external computer, it is a poor investment for users to purchase these collections, because there is no effective, quick and reliable way to construct the needed SET files for particular gigs.
Can I make external sounds, styles multisamples and samples? Yes I can. So why don't I do it? Because it's too time consuming and complex. It is frustrating and repetitive. And there is no effective "market" or "reward" for this investment of time ... because it's also too time consuming and complex for users to manage these files and configure them to load them onto their Pa-series keyboard.
So the market for additional sounds and styles for Korg arrangers has never developed. At the end of the day, that is the reason that the Korg arranger series is actually inferior to products from Yamaha and Roland. Putting it simply, Yamaha and Roland understand the need for providing software support to enable an external market for sound and style add-ons. Korg do not.
I offered to resolve this problem by writing the necessary software, and I wrote a nice letter to Korg Italy (in January) offering my time as a software developer free of charge if they would just provide assistance in decoding the file structures. I know they received it because Paolo Tramannoni told me. However Korg Italy never bothered even to reply to me. And consequently, I will say my farewells to Korg and Korg users once again.
Regards,
Rob
Even though the Pa-series has the capability of user sampling, I bet that less than 1% of owners use the capability, because it's too complex.
However a suitable software solution on an external computer could solve that problem as well, giving a very simple way to manage the relationships between User styles/ sounds/ multisamples/ samples.
Two people who have the technical ability and patience to create really good sounds and styles for the Pa series are Asena and Anthony Sharman. Due to the huge amount of time it takes, these after market sounds and styles are at least 10x more time consuming to make than the equivalent on Yamaha and Roland arrangers. And without a decent librarian to manage a large collection of sounds and styles on an external computer, it is a poor investment for users to purchase these collections, because there is no effective, quick and reliable way to construct the needed SET files for particular gigs.
Can I make external sounds, styles multisamples and samples? Yes I can. So why don't I do it? Because it's too time consuming and complex. It is frustrating and repetitive. And there is no effective "market" or "reward" for this investment of time ... because it's also too time consuming and complex for users to manage these files and configure them to load them onto their Pa-series keyboard.
So the market for additional sounds and styles for Korg arrangers has never developed. At the end of the day, that is the reason that the Korg arranger series is actually inferior to products from Yamaha and Roland. Putting it simply, Yamaha and Roland understand the need for providing software support to enable an external market for sound and style add-ons. Korg do not.
I offered to resolve this problem by writing the necessary software, and I wrote a nice letter to Korg Italy (in January) offering my time as a software developer free of charge if they would just provide assistance in decoding the file structures. I know they received it because Paolo Tramannoni told me. However Korg Italy never bothered even to reply to me. And consequently, I will say my farewells to Korg and Korg users once again.
Regards,
Rob
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Actually Rob 1% are creating their whole Set , but the 30 % of uses use partially their Pa sampler !Rob Sherratt wrote:Even though the Pa-series has the capability of user sampling, I bet that less than 1% of owners use the capability, because it's too complex.
I think you have forgotten ozdaniel(AD) who is the only real time demonstrator I've seen (after me) ,that presents his work !Rob Sherratt wrote:Two people who have the technical ability and patience to create really good sounds and styles for the Pa series are Asena and Anthony Sharmman.
Rob I had Tyros 4 & Pa3X side by side (Roland & Audya was out of my demands) before decide where to invest onRob Sherratt wrote: Due to the huge amount of time it takes, these after market sounds and styles are at least 10x more time consuming to make than the equivalent on Yamaha and Roland arrangers. And without a decent librarian to manage a large collection of sounds and styles on an external computer, it is a poor investment for users to purchase these collections, because there is no effective, quick and reliable way to construct the needed SET files for particular gigs.
and let me say that for style editing , Pa editor is faster just in Pa interface , instead of PC editors of Tyros 4 !
I really do not know about other commercial SETs , but in mine , all are settled down in accurate order since creator
always knows better what are users needs , so no librarian either anything else is required to organize your Gigs
every style is 4 STS ready , and Performance sound library is ordered in similar instrument groups , therefore user just do nothing
else than copying ready forms in the smart way that he can't even concept !
Of course it doesn't mean that a librarian isn't needed for users !
That's the most important reason that somebody might have to pay for resources when all manufacturers (not only Korg)Rob Sherratt wrote: Can I make external sounds, styles multisamples and samples? Yes I can. So why don't I do it? Because it's too time consuming and complex.
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Rob Sherratt
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Hi Antony,
Yes your style library is excellently presented and you provide a nice utility program to organize the styles and sounds that you sell.
But over time, most musicians acquire styles and sounds from many different sources and it is impossible to manage all these together with an encrypted library (e.g. yours) in an easy way. The effort required to prepare a customized .SET file for every gig is just too costly for me at any rate.
So I will be selling my Pa2x which you know anyway. But instead of buying a Pa3x, I will be buying the Roland BK-9 and we will see in future how I get on with it. The style and sound expansion sets seem very reasonably priced and are easy to manage and organize using the free iPad BK-partner software. Since I have an iPad already, it's nice that many free Roland software utilities are available to run on it, and it will sit nicely on the music stand.
Regards,
Rob
Yes your style library is excellently presented and you provide a nice utility program to organize the styles and sounds that you sell.
But over time, most musicians acquire styles and sounds from many different sources and it is impossible to manage all these together with an encrypted library (e.g. yours) in an easy way. The effort required to prepare a customized .SET file for every gig is just too costly for me at any rate.
So I will be selling my Pa2x which you know anyway. But instead of buying a Pa3x, I will be buying the Roland BK-9 and we will see in future how I get on with it. The style and sound expansion sets seem very reasonably priced and are easy to manage and organize using the free iPad BK-partner software. Since I have an iPad already, it's nice that many free Roland software utilities are available to run on it, and it will sit nicely on the music stand.
Regards,
Rob