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There seem to be a ton of issues with the VR09 concerning layers, splits and effects.

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthread ... _09#UNREAD

The thread gets intresting around page 39 or so but you have to wade through a bunch of arguing.

Maybe Roland will fix it but I'm not holding my breath.

If you want to use it as a straight organ it seems to work fine.

I own both the SV1-73 and the VR-09 together they make a pretty kick ass rig for live gigs. The VR-09 covers a lot of sounds that the SV-1 lacks and has a much better organ. Both take up little stage space and are easy to schlep.

I saw one of these Casios at Guitar Center yesterday, and the keys felt like they were glazed with a basting brush. Never in a million years....

xp50player wrote:I saw one of these Casios at Guitar Center yesterday, and the keys felt like they were glazed with a basting brush. Never in a million years....

Well you must not of spent anytime playing it because it plays like a dream. I'll admit they look a little odd a first glance, but it has a great feel and action, much better than the SV1.

I've had mine over a month now. The AP's and EP's sound incredible and unlike the SV1, the action is a pleasure to play. I had the PX-5S side by side with a new SV188 last week and I couldn't believe how truly bad the action is on the SV1. The Casio also sounds better.

Not trying to be a Korg basher as I love my Kronos, but the SV1 has so many flaws and Korg has not had any type of update in over 2 years. Those of you that still love it I understand, but I have moved on and don't regret it one bit.

There is now way to compare apples and pears but you must understand what instrument the SV-1 is! SV stands for "stage vintage" and is not a jack of all trade axe!
The SV-1 is excellent to emulate both the Rhodes and Wurlitzer electric pianos and don't forget the Electric Grand by Yamaha and Pianet plus Clavinet by Hohner.
I don't bother over the other sounds because I have dedicated instruments for these.
For your information over the keyboard, it's far better than the original Rhodes or Wurlitzer keyboards witch make the SV-1 a winner as a electric piano substitute.
I would say that the SV-1 already is a modern Classic.

If you're saying that the keyboard bed on the SV-1 is "far better than the original Rhodes or Wurlitzer keyboards", I totally disagree. I have an old Wurlitzer set up right next to my SV-1, and the feel is much lighter, less clunky, with a satisfying bounce. I can play quite a bit faster on my Wurlitzer. Three keys have broken (a first for me), and more are clicking annoyingly, which I fear may be a sign they're going to break. Love the sounds, hate the keybed.

You're lucky.

My Rhodes 73 keybed sucks compared to my SV-1. Only thing the original does better for me is the random weirdnesses; some tines not resonating properly, low F key sticks/sustains, the middle C has developed a very cool flanging artifact... so cool I'm avoiding fixing it and save it for random moments in a set

I preferred the "bounce" of the Wurlie to that of the Rhodes (Mk1) but neither impressed me at the time... back then I was just happy the keys were weighted, sooo....

My Wurlie is gone now, but I still remember the splinters I could get if I wasn't careful with the keys at one end. Good bounce as you said (better than the Rhodes imo) but the Wurlie sound was always narrower in tone (no real high end, some mud in the low-mids)... I usually had a flanger or delay on it.. still haven't built a version close enough for my ears yet.

It's true, binky, that there's always something to complain about. Some years back I owned a Rhodes and though it had lovely moments, it rarely cut through the mix, it always sounded wimpy. I started messing around inside adjusting the tuning and timbre, but that was a can of worms I didn't have the time for. Never have to worry about that with the SV-1 -- always cuts through, always in tune. I need to remember to be grateful for what I've got.

yeh i keep hoping for an SV-2 with

• -harpsichord, clavichord to replace organ
  -definable splits
  -selectable 2nd layer (choir, strings, pad, etc)
  -add vibe, marimba, similar as layer options
  -aftertouch (mono or poly) assigned to detailing pad sounds, etc
  -independent comp/limiter for amp emulator (balancing levels easier)
  -pitch bend wheel (i like these a lot, forgot to mention)

but same time i'm so glad Korg made the SV-1; there's nothing out there like it.

i_am_binky wrote:yeh i keep hoping for an SV-2 with

• -harpsichord, clavichord to replace organ
  -definable splits
  -selectable 2nd layer (choir, strings, pad, etc)
  -add vibe, marimba, similar as layer options
  -aftertouch (mono or poly) assigned to detailing pad sounds, etc
  -independent comp/limiter for amp emulator (balancing levels easier)
  -pitch bend wheel (i like these a lot, forgot to mention)

but same time i'm so glad Korg made the SV-1; there's nothing out there like it.

Haha, I'd actually be more happy if there was MORE organ in the SV-2. In my bank I've got about 20 slots assigned to organ, but that all depends on the kind of music you make and sounds you like of course. I'd love to see some drawbar control, and a more gradual control over effects. Because when I'm controlling phaser or tremolo effects, the step-wise adjustments are just too obvious in the sound. Same goes for Amp model, which can be made a bit more subtle as well.

But I don't expect the SV-2 to be a complete synth/workstation. Although stuff like pitch bend wheels are alot of fun, I don't think they fit into the atmosphere and mentality of the Stage Vintage, since nearly all sounds (except the 2 synths) are based on instruments who didn't/couldn't have had a pitch bend function. I'm considering buying a KingKorg to drag those sounds through synth-like filters and effects. For the same reason I think aftertouch wouldn't have much added value to this type of keyboard.

xp50player wrote:I saw one of these Casios at Guitar Center yesterday, and the keys felt like they were glazed with a basting brush. Never in a million years....

I'll agree and add that I owned the PX5 for about 10 days and returned it because it played like a toy (to me). I didn't care for the key bed action and I too hated the feel of the faux ivory keys. It's packed with a lot of cool features and does a lot more than the SV-1 (which I didn't return) but it comes at a cost. In most cases, we really do get what we pay for.

Also, the PX5's profile is so narrow that it is difficult to place it on a scissor stand without having it continuously slide around while you're playing it.

KG

clonedike wrote:If you're saying that the keyboard bed on the SV-1 is "far better than the original Rhodes or Wurlitzer keyboards", I totally disagree. I have an old Wurlitzer set up right next to my SV-1, and the feel is much lighter, less clunky, with a satisfying bounce. I can play quite a bit faster on my Wurlitzer. Three keys have broken (a first for me), and more are clicking annoyingly, which I fear may be a sign they're going to break. Love the sounds, hate the keybed.

Which Wurli do you own? The 140 Flattop or the 200 series? And which keybed do you hate? i.e., the Wurli or the SV!? Are you saying that you have broken 3 keys on the Korg?

I haven't experienced any broken keys on my SV1-73 but the action is a big soggy and slow. This of course could be by design as the purpose of this keyboard is to emulate the Rhodes and the Wurli and those were both hit or miss keybeds, IMO.

KG

Hi Kurt. I own a Wurli 200A, and I love the feel of it. It's the SV1's feel that I don't like (yes, sluggish), and which has broken 4 keys now -- I broke an additional one trying move a good key from up high to the high traffic area in the middle. It's tricky.