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Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:54 pm**

Saxifraga wrote:I think Roland should buy Korg and implement a new killer workstation with +/-OCT Buttons and Transpose.

ROR

Roland can't even afford Roland. Look at their financial statements

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:19 pm**

SanderXpander wrote:Pretty sure all 61 key Motifs have octave buttons though

The challenge is as it goes my other hand most likely is on the lower keyboard and is occupied. In being able to utilize the top octave or lower octave of for instance a piano patch, it has to be accomplished in .5 seconds. Not 5 seconds!
Even on an o1/w or triton, you can adjust octave (in program mode) on the main editing screen instantaneously. Very important for my playing.

The Kronos 61 is the ONLY Kronos with semi weighted keys so it is the only viable Kronos for my stage rig. Backline sound companies that supply gear to performers at our level who do "fly dates" as opposed to tour bus in the states most likely will carry the 61...
I have a motif ES and SX 61 as well with dedicated octave control buttons, but the motif and Fantom are not my "stage" axes!
Thanks phly23

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:45 pm**

I like the Karma suggestion. I will have to try that!

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:22 pm**

phly23 wrote: The challenge is as it goes my other hand most likely is on the lower keyboard and is occupied. In being able to utilize the top octave or lower octave of for instance a piano patch, it has to be accomplished in .5 seconds. Not 5 seconds!
Even on an o1/w or triton, you can adjust octave (in program mode) on the main editing screen instantaneously. Very important for my playing.

Right. So if doing it from Set List isn't useful, then Tone Adjust may be an option if you're in Program mode -- depending on the program type there's a transpose function -- the downside is that it may be per oscillator, so for a double program, you would have to hit two buttons -- not to mention probably going through and setting it up for some programs. You can, however, do this from the screen when playing live.

Again, using KARMA to transpose ... if reaching for any of the KARMA buttons on the left of the board is too difficult, it's possible to set up KARMA toggle transpose with the Joystick (like how you can do with the Rotary Speaker emulation -- just a quick flick to transpose, another to transpose back), or to transpose with a footswitch, possibly the vector joystick (not sure on this one), or another controller, or even from another keyboard maybe. Or you could even do this from the screen from the KARMA RTC tab. The downside is that, yes, you (or your band's keyboard tech) would have to program it for the sounds and songs you need it for.

Posted: **Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:55 pm**

Yup. Use Karma. I use the scene buttons not only for octave changes, but also program/combi smooth sound transition. I find it easier to use the buttons to change program/combis or octaves rather than the touchscreen because of my hotdog fingers. Stephen Kay has a tutorial of this using Karma somewhere on his site. I use a single Kronos 61 and it works out quite well for me, even playing piano parts. You can also use a foot switch controlling Karma scene octave changes. Good luck.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:14 am**

Going back to the foot pedal idea, as SW1/SW2 can be set to control transpose, the Assignable Foot pedal can replicate SW1/SW2. So that would be the way, but it would require extra programming and it is not a general function that would apply to any patch, regardless.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:20 pm**

GregC wrote:
Saxifraga wrote:I think Roland should buy Korg and implement a new killer workstation with +/-OCT Buttons and Transpose.

ROR

Roland can't even afford Roland. Look at their financial statements

If they made a flagship keyboard that had ALL of their cool (but now almost dated) stuff they could turn this around. Instead it's "buy 17 things that have little relation to get what we could have put in one" "Buy the V-Bagpipe to get our Supersonic Saxophone model!"

Posted: **Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:42 am**

I have contacted some people at Korg i hope can help....i refuse to give uo my awesome Sw1 and Sw1 for octave control if a simple "octave + and oct - " can be implemented in the base of the display in prog, combi and set up!
I pray!

Posted: **Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:51 am**

Did anybody mention that in the "Basic" page of the "Global" the transpose can be set to +/- 12 or 24 for shifting up to 2 octives? It works on both Programs and Combies. That's the fastest way for me now but dedicated +/- buttons at the bottom of the screen would be great.

Amoo Farrokh
Canada

Posted: **Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:34 am**

phly23 wrote:I have contacted some people at Korg i hope can help....i refuse to give uo my awesome Sw1 and Sw1 for octave control if a simple "octave + and oct - " can be implemented in the base of the display in prog, combi and set up!

I agree that buttons added to the display would be best. In the meantime, try the KARMA method that others have mentioned. It allows you to set up the KARMA Scene Switches, so you can set up +/- 1 octave on the first two switches, +/-2 octaves on SW3 & 4, +/- 3 octaves on SW5 & 6, or values in between. Stephen Kay explained how to set it up in another thread:

StephenKay wrote:If you're not using KARMA for anything else in a particular combi, you can use this KARMA trick:

Let's say you've got a combi with several timbres layered on the global channel, as an example.

Note: if you're using a Combi that had KARMA assigned to do something else, you can initialize all modules first, using the KARMA Page Menu Command "Initialize KARMA Module", with both checkboxes on, and execute it 4 times (once for each Module) - and that should clear all KARMA settings from the Combi.

- Go to page 7-1 GE Setup/Key Zones. Set KARMA Module A to Input and Output on the Global Channel.
- By default, Module A should be set to GE 0000 on the KARMA page. Make sure that the Run checkbox is on for Module A.
- Turn KARMA On and verify that it plays the default up/down arapeggio on all of the timbres.
- Go to page 7-1 GE Setup/Key Zones, and set the Key Zone for Module A to be 0/0 (both top and bottom set to C -1). This means there is basically no key zone input to the module.
- Turn on the "Thru Out Zone" checkbox. Play the keyboard, and even with KARMA On, you should just get the notes of the keyboard being passed straight thru.
- However, note that there is Transpose field next to the Thru Out Zone checkbox.
- Go to page 7-6 Perf RTP. Assign the first row to Key Zones Group, and select the "Transpose Out Thru" parameter. The other fields get filled in with -36/+36/0, which you can leave.
- In the "Assign" popup, select Slider 1.
- (optional) - Go to 7-9 Name/Note Map, and give Slider 1 in the Master Layer the Name "337: Note Transpose".
- Go to page 0-6 KARMA GE. Here you will see that Slider 1 says "Note Transpose". With it set to 64, the transpose will be 0 (watch the KARMA Value display portion).

Now, you can change the transpose of the entire combi, by semitones, using Slider 1 with the Control Surface set to KARMA/RT. You can store it at 0 in one scene, and store it at some other value (+3, -1) in other scenes. Also, this does not mess with any split zones. Just play in your normal key, and it comes out in another key.

You can also use this for Octave Up/Down, without affecting any split zones.

Rather than have two copies of the combi in two set list slots with different transpose values (not yet possible), you can use just one Combi and change scenes to get different transpose values.

If you had other timbres on other channels, you could use other KARMA Modules set up in the same way to manage them.

For my own use, I put these settings to a program that I call "KARMA Octaves." If I need it in other programs, combis, songs, I can use the COPY KARMA MODULE command to quickly load it to where I need.

Posted: **Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:00 pm**

Seems to me this would be a good thing to add to the QuNexus I bought. Use six extra pads for octave shift and still keep my karma buttons on the Kronos intact and useable for karma!

Posted: **Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:16 am**

Myself, I only need octave transpose on piano sounds so I use the SW's. If I needed to do it elsewhere I'm just do it with pre-programmed sounds in set-list mode using my footswitch. That way I don't have to take a hand off of the keyboard.

Posted: **Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:31 pm**

jeremykeys wrote:Myself, I only need octave transpose on piano sounds so I use the SW's. If I needed to do it elsewhere I'm just do it with pre-programmed sounds in set-list mode using my footswitch. That way I don't have to take a hand off of the keyboard.

True with piano sounds...That is mostly the case. Althpugh i love having sw1 and sw2 for ribbon hold and turing strings on and off through use of compressor on/off etc...

Posted: **Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:09 pm**

The only time I actually adjust the volumes of sounds that are in a combi with my piano sound, I use my volume/expression pedal. I really don't like taking my hands off of the keyboard and since most of the times I'm playing 2 parts I just find it easier to use the pedal.

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