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Re-Member wrote:You can count me in as one of the few people that isn't upset about the 4 bar pattern limitation.

.. and let's not forget how much fine acid house has been cooked up on 1 bar TB303's... If that's your thang.

apapdop wrote:

Re-Member wrote:You can count me in as one of the few people that isn't upset about the 4 bar pattern limitation.

.. and let's not forget how much fine acid house has been cooked up on 1 bar TB303's... If that's your thang.

good point

I see a lot of improvements und can easily live with most of the limitations of the new tribes. But the four bars limit makes me a little bit angry. Because this limitation is not a technical limitation -- it affects the creative flow while developing hooks and chord progressions. No one is forced to use eight bars in his patterns. But the option should be given. I see absolutely no economic or technical reason for this limitation.

Tom 62 wrote:I see a lot of improvements und can easily live with most of the limitations of the new tribes. But the four bars limit makes me a little bit angry. Because this limitation is not a technical limitation -- it affects the creative flow while developing hooks and chord progressions. No one is forced to use eight bars in his patterns. But the option should be given. I see absolutely no economic or technical reason for this limitation.

That sir, is a negative !

http://youtu.be/1ytCEuuW2_A

DrHoo wrote:

Tom 62 wrote:I see a lot of improvements und can easily live with most of the limitations of the new tribes. But the four bars limit makes me a little bit angry. Because this limitation is not a technical limitation -- it affects the creative flow while developing hooks and chord progressions. No one is forced to use eight bars in his patterns. But the option should be given. I see absolutely no economic or technical reason for this limitation.

That sir, is a negative !

http://youtu.be/1ytCEuuW2_A

Get in!!

DrHoo wrote:That sir, is a negative !

Not completely. The first sentence of my statement is euphoric

DrHoo wrote: Although there's no quantization (Like all electribes)

Really? DrHoo, there is no Quantize at all???

Then how did GlitchCraft find quantize on his Tribe? He bitched about it in his initial review:

Glitchcraft wrote: ...a way to turn quantization off. I mean come on 2014 and Elektron, DSI and even the Volca series can do it.

Actually I was excited to hear about quantization.

Can you explain further, because obviously it is in there or poor Glitch wouldn't be screaming about getting an "off" option for it.

Alright then. There's no quantization in the way we see it on other branded units. I've never seen a quantize function or setting on an electribe, actually i've never looked for one.
It has 16 step buttons & a way to move individual notes manually but it's easier to just punch a button off & then re record a new note. No need for any quantize settings because it's stepped by default.

Really? DrHoo, there is no Quantize at all???

Then how did GlitchCraft find quantize on his Tribe? He bitched about it in his initial review:

You'll have to ask him that.

DrHoo wrote:Alright then. There's no quantization in the way we see it on other branded units. I've never seen a quantize function or setting on an electribe, actually i've never looked for one.
It has 16 step buttons & a way to move individual notes manually but it's easier to just punch a button off & then re record a new note. No need for any quantize settings because it's stepped by default.

Really? DrHoo, there is no Quantize at all???

Then how did GlitchCraft find quantize on his Tribe? He bitched about it in his initial review:

You'll have to ask him that.

In my questions regarding the arpeggiator to Kilko I asked about a way to change the speed of the legato ranging from "no legato" to 1/4 to 1/8 intervals?

Kilko Provided this as an example:

http://www38.zippyshare.com/v/95508593/file.html

I think he did this on the kaoss pad.

So is this what is controlling the illusion of Quantization?

Also can you confirm if the Kaoss pad can control both the time and speed of the arpeggiator just like the EMX and ESX? If so, how does the arp setting reflect to what we see in the pads in step mode?

The damn manual and guide are so sparse on talking about the arpeggiator and the Kaoss Pad...shame really.

Thanks!

SMK wrote:

DrHoo wrote:Alright then. There's no quantization in the way we see it on other branded units. I've never seen a quantize function or setting on an electribe, actually i've never looked for one.
It has 16 step buttons & a way to move individual notes manually but it's easier to just punch a button off & then re record a new note. No need for any quantize settings because it's stepped by default.

Really? DrHoo, there is no Quantize at all???

Then how did GlitchCraft find quantize on his Tribe? He bitched about it in his initial review:

You'll have to ask him that.

In my questions regarding the arpeggiator to Kilko I asked about a way to change the speed of the legato ranging from "no legato" to 1/4 to 1/8 intervals?

Kilko Provided this as an example:

http://www38.zippyshare.com/v/95508593/file.html

I think he did this on the kaoss pad.

So is this what is controlling the illusion Quantization?

Also can you confirm if the Kaoss pad can control both the time and speed of the arpeggiator just like the EMX and ESX? If so, how does the arp setting reflect to what we see in the pads in step mode?

Thanks!

I have no idea what you are talking about whaen you say illusion Quantization ! That's a mystery to me.

Regarding the arp settings, i havn't used them yet. There's a scale mode on the x/y pad where you can play notes from left to right. The arp doesn't work the same as the emx & esx. On those units you could select a bunch of notes holding down the previous note & then adding more, then hit the arp strip to play those back in sequence.

This new one seems to work in tandem with the scale function, i havn't looked into it yet. I havn't heard it perform any good arpeggios so far.

DrHoo wrote:
I have no idea what you are talking about whaen you say illusion Quantization ! That's a mystery to me.

That was a typo, I meant "the illusion of quantization". Basically the gate arp can give an illusion of your beats, sounds being quantized like on the kaossilator pro. On the Kaossilator Pro when the arp is on, everything gets locked to the gate time. I was inquiring and hoping that is the same case here.

It would nice if you dived more in to the arp function on the tribe.

SMK wrote:
It would nice if you dived more in to the arp function on the tribe.

It would be nice if everyone dove more into straight up EVERYTHING! LOL Im dying to see this machine work, man. When I get this I'm going to set aside at least half a day to have with it and check everything as much as possible.

Tom 62 wrote:But the four bars limit makes me a little bit angry. Because this limitation is not a technical limitation -- it affects the creative flow while developing hooks and chord progressions.

It's only going to affect the creative flow if you force yourself to do everything all within a single pattern. If you want a melody that is longer than 4 bars, you have three options here:

1. Actually play it by hand live.

2. Dedicate two parts to one long melody. When you need to trigger the second half, simultaneously mute one while unmuting the other.

3. Record the first half of that melody on one pattern, mute it, save the pattern, then copy all the settings over onto a second pattern where you can program the second half of the melody left unmuted. Use the Pattern Set buttons to automatically switch to the pattern containing the latter unmuted half so it's triggered perfectly on beat.

I'm sorry, but 4 bars isn't that huge of a limitation. You have 250 patterns to program data onto and exactly 64 at your fingers tips which can easily be triggered in a live setting if you learn to use the Pattern Set feature. There's ways to get creative here. The highly ridiculed MC-303 allowed you to have 32 bars per pattern, then you had the MC-909 and MC-808 which both had 998 bars per pattern. If we want to complain about creative limitations, many can say the same thing about the EMX and ESX only having 8 bars compared to the Roland MC series.

Limitations can actually force creativity. I don't even own the machine yet and have already thought of many creative workarounds I plan on using to compose and perform full length songs using as many patterns as possible.[/quote]

SMK wrote:

DrHoo wrote:
I have no idea what you are talking about when you say illusion Quantization ! That's a mystery to me.

That was a typo, I meant "the illusion of quantization". Basically the gate arp can give an illusion of your beats, sounds being quantized like on the kaossilator pro. On the Kaossilator Pro when the arp is on, everything gets locked to the gate time. I was inquiring and hoping that is the same case here.

It would nice if you dived more in to the arp function on the tribe.

What the other guy is saying really is that the tribe is locked in quantization by default, you can't switch it off but then all tribes were like that. You can however manually move notes via step edit & that shifts individual notes out of time/quantization. You have to work within the machine's system.
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The gate time is a completely different area, it refers to the length of a note. The x/y pad has two functions in this area, one is the gate time of the note, from bottom to the top of the pad increasing the gate time of the note. the other way, left to right in theory is the speed/frequency of the notes. Unless you're using the pad for something else.

As for all you guys who want us to delve deeper into these areas, i'm in no rush to discover everything at once & i'm still working largely on the surface of this unit, it's slightly deeper menus will be examined in good time. Damn, i still couldn't tell you which pad is which short cut off the top of my head, i just don't think that hard about it.
What i have found is that after having had a break from synths for the previous six months before getting this, i'm approaching it in a very laid back & casual manner, like don't do today what i can put off until tomorrow This is exactly why i havn't even plugged in a sound card yet & recorded anything, i'm just in no rush.

I think "no quantisation" and "no way to turn Q off" add up to the same thing ,it's just a case of semantics.
The arp may well be like old KO ,pick a pattern ,depth on Y axis (volume amount of gate).Hopefully groove and swing interact.

Edit:oops , Doc already answered.