electribe 2 wish list

takadoum · Post by **takadoum** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 1:40 pm

- Direct part selection, like SHIFT+PAD (instead of editing pages shortcuts) WITHOUT triggering ("prev" and "next" buttons are OK, but it's sometimes too far away and too time consumming when editing and switching from part to part)

- Skip empty parts with SHIFT+PREV or SHIFT+NEXT

takadoum · Post by **takadoum** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:12 pm

- REAL STEP RECORD, FOR XXXX-SAKE !!!

Re-Member · Post by **Re-Member** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:32 pm

DrHoo wrote:There is NO midi send or receive to or from the event recorder, period...

The guy who tested it said that while you're recording an Event, the recorder captures notes received from MIDI IN. Those external notes will also be included when you play back the Event file. So it can indeed receive MIDI, it just isn't sending MIDI.

DrHoo wrote:The event recorder then is a seperate entity from the operating system of the electribe. It's like plugging a digital recorder in & capturing the 'event' .

How come it records the knob movements then ?

It can capture knob movements because it isn't a digital recorder, it's recording MIDI. If it were anything like a digital recorder, you wouldn't be able to do anything to the sounds when you play back the Event file, but you can. You can still tweak everything just as you would playing a regular pattern, which means it's just MIDI. And since it's all just MIDI data, it's seems like it would be technically possible to also route that data from the Event Recorder's sequencer to the MIDI OUT port so the Electribe can sequence other gear while playing back the Event files.

This is something I'd love to see in an update. It's not an unreasonable nor impossible request and anyone who has a lot a gear in their set up would benefit from this greatly.

DrHoo · Post by **DrHoo** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:22 pm

Ok cool, i ave to say (& i might be in a minority) that i think it's just another cheap shitty gizmo of not much use... Event !!! What event exactly do they expect us to record ? We each have just one pair of hands & the macine can only record one part at a time.
Sorry man but i'm just way down on this machine.

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:39 pm

DrHoo wrote:Ok cool, i ave to say (& i might be in a minority) that i think it's just another cheap shitty gizmo of not much use... Event !!! What event exactly do they expect us to record ? We each have just one pair of hands & the macine can only record one part at a time.
Sorry man but i'm just way down on this machine.

I thought it records the entire pattern, not just one part surely>?

Re-Member · Post by **Re-Member** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:19 pm

DrHoo wrote:Ok cool, i ave to say (& i might be in a minority) that i think it's just another cheap shitty gizmo of not much use... Event !!! What event exactly do they expect us to record ? We each have just one pair of hands & the macine can only record one part at a time.
Sorry man but i'm just way down on this machine.

The biggest advantage I see with the Event Recorder is being able to record pattern changes. This means that you're free to use your hands to do other things such as muting, tweaking and playing sounds by hand live while the machine automatically plays back a prepared set of patterns.

For me, this is similar to how the Roland Grooveboxes function and it's a workflow I'm familiar with. You break down all your song ideas into a series of patterns first, then program the machine to chain them so you can play and tweak sounds on the fly. Sure, you can't save this performance a second time around, but that's not the point of the feature. The point is that it acts like a backing track that can be slightly manipulated in a live setting.

I'm sorry that you've hit a road block with it, but from my prospective this feature requires the user to put a lot work into programming all the individual patterns first in order to take full advantage of it. You either have the creativity to make good use of it or don't.

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:35 pm

Re-Member wrote: The point is that it acts like a backing track that can be slightly manipulated in a live setting.

That's how I'm viewing it, and how I intend to use it when I get mine. imho I think its a very useful feature, and certainly more engaging than just another song mode.

As an aside, I think its important for companies to come up with new features, especially with performance in mind. Korg seems to understand this (although they often err in other areas, but that's another story altogether) and its one of the reasons I love their gear.

EDIT : Quick question - can the events be set to loop?

Re-Member · Post by **Re-Member** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:33 pm

roblabs wrote:EDIT : Quick question - can the events be set to loop?

I remember asking this awhile back and the answer I got was no. In fact, there's no editing features whatsoever. It just captures everything you do in real-time, then saves it as a small MIDI data file that can only be played back linearly from start to finish. But since it's playing back via MIDI, you're still free to tweak and mute the sounds manually during playback, essentially allowing you to do a "live mix" of your recorded performance.

With proper planning, I see this as being a really great tool for live use since you can use it to eliminate the need of juggling between patterns in advance. And it would be even more useful if this feature is updated to send MIDI OUT to other gear. You could totally free up your hands to focus on tweaking the sounds or playing another instrument. Some could argue that you're "just tweaking a backing track" and it's "not really live," but hey, the audience doesn't need to know this.

roblabs · Post by **roblabs** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:38 pm

Re-Member wrote:Some could argue that you're "just tweaking a backing track" and it's "not really live," but hey, the audience doesn't need to know this.

True. Or consider this - its very much akin to DJing, except you've programmed and worked out your OWN track and are now tweaking live!

phillwilson · Post by **phillwilson** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:08 am

I would love to see:

1. the return of shift+pad 1-16 selecting THAT part even within keyboard and Chord modes

2. the return of holding mute+pad 1-16 muting those selected parts, but again LEAVING ME IN keyboard or Chord modes.

3. I am really missing the old ribbon and slider function whereby a drum part would play in 4ths at one end of the slider throw (in reverse mode for me) and 16ths at the other with 8ths 6ths etc in between.... this was a crazy good feature for finger drumming in time...why would you change it , I expected the Y or X axis of a drum instrument would do this, but no, all I get is a mess of double triggers from drum instruments what are trying to be played melodically.... we need a way to specify if the instrument is "melodic" or "drum" and apply the most sensible settings to the X/Y pad...I can't believe they haven't thought of this.

Rational:
The Old EMX seems so MUCH more suited to real-time work than the Electribe 2 (i.e PLAYING the sounds into an empty sequence part by part live)...Korg haven't understood their own genius of the initial system from the first EMX's , there is no real need to have a dedicated "page" just for mutes/solos or part selection (alright its useful to have a trigger page overall but part selection should ALWAYS be accessible).

I am really WANTING to love this electribe 2, and at the moment I have it sat at the other side of a cross fader to the original EMX with the intention of using them like DJ platters, setting up a short Acid tune on one side live and then cross fading to the next EMX to evolve the set.... at the moment I am finding track building on the EMX1 to take less than HALF the amount of button presses and menu dives than the EMX -1

Re-Member · Post by **Re-Member** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:57 am

phillwilson wrote: Rational:
The Old EMX seems so MUCH more suited to real-time work than the Electribe 2 (i.e PLAYING the sounds into an empty sequence part by part live)...Korg haven't understood their own genius of the initial system from the first EMX's , there is no real need to have a dedicated "page" just for mutes/solos or part selection (alright its useful to have a trigger page overall but part selection should ALWAYS be accessible).

I was under the impression that Part selection is always accessible using the two dedicated buttons for it (right above Pad 1). It's my understanding that using Real Time Recording, you can use those buttons to quickly toggle between Parts without ever having to stop the recording.

Someone here also confirmed that while you are using Real Time Recording, the sequencer will only record notes being played in real time and won't erase anything once it loops the pattern. This means you can safely toggle between Parts without the recorder erasing over any existing note data as long as you don't hit the pads while making your Part selection.

I don't own the machine yet to confirm any of this, but reading the manual makes it all seem kind of obvious to me.

takadoum · Post by **takadoum** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:51 am

phillwilson +1000

For your third wish, there's a poor imitation of the EMX ribbon, but it's completely unusable

You have to be in gate arp mode, but no touch scale (press gate arp button twice), and in keyboard or trigger mode.
Then pressing a pad and the touchpad, you can play 16th, 8th, etc, with X axis (Y seems unused).
But first, you need to press a pad, so there's an unwanted trigger !!!
Second, in this case the sound coming from the sequencer does not play in between the notes you play, that's crazy.
Finally, I can't explain very well in english but the behaviour is erratic, you shuld try by yourself.

Even with melodic instruments, touchpad is a crap, notes are too close, and device is too sensitive.

I totally agree with you for live and finger playing, I'm so disappointed !

dutchcow · Post by **dutchcow** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:18 am

The more I read here the more I think Korg has made some fatal choices regarding this machine.

It's not a step up from previous models. If I would own a previous model I would expect the new model to do what the old one can, but better and with extra's.

For now I'v cancelled my order and will see if Korg addresses any of these issues.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:59 am

I would like a software to manage the sounds and patterns of my new Electribe 2. It would have been nice if Korg could have provided us one...easier way to copy and paste sounds into different patterns, or create your patterns, exchange our sounds with one another.

I understand that the Abelton live performs some software functions but additional gear software would have been nice. Maybe double it as a plug in for your favorite DAW with no need for MAX for live.

Well that's my wish to the Korg Genies.

takadoum · Post by **takadoum** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:10 pm

- Editable groove list would be awesome, as there's no more accent track