Kronos CX-3 with rotary demo (vent)

timbukktwo · Post by **timbukktwo** » Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:43 pm

ccmacdon- Have you tried Davd C. Polich settings for the internal leslie sim (under 'A better CX-3 Leslie')?

BSV73 · Post by **BSV73** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:10 am

dg-keys and laandodeman, those demos sound great!

I've also got an sk1 and my band mates are generally underwhelmed when I use the kronos cx3 instead thats why i'm looking into the vent as I love a 1 board rig.

would you guys mind posting the PCG files that you are using?

ccmacdon · Post by **ccmacdon** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:16 pm

Comparison between the Hammond "Leslie" pedal, the Ventilator (various iterations) and the Burn....

First of all the Hammond "Leslie" pedal is based on the Hammond leslie sim, which is absolutely no where near as good as either the Burn or the Ventialtor.. The Leslie Pedal does have 4 different algorithms (ie different effects).. but none of which are particularly good (except the PR40 emulation might be OK because it's simply a speaker cabinet sim). I wouldn't ever consider purchasing this pedal (IMHO).

The real competition is between the Burn and the various iterations of the Ventilator (original, mini, Vent-2). NONE of these models compare with the Burn on a feature/function basis.. in fact it's incredible how many more features and functions you get with the Burn. However, the Ventilator does an excellent job of one thing.. duplicating the sound of a 122 leslie, and it's emulation is hard to beat. Personally, I like both my Ventilator (original) and my Burn.. if I was playing in a 3 piece jazz trio, I might just go with my Ventialtor.. however, if I'm playing with my classic rock band, there is no doubt that I would use my Burn.

The real advantages of the Burn are it's programmability, 32 presets and midi control. It has over a dozen different algorithms, including various leslies, amp sims and other effects. It can be switched (speed) via midi or a remote switch.. It can be programmed to respond to program changes (ie changing presets or full stereo bypass). It has a real tube for overdrive, and a vast array of editable parameters and it comes with built in templates for use with most popular clones.. Last but not least, it is updateable via midi.. SO if/when Guido decides to provide new features, or tweak algorithms, your Burn can be updated very easily. You can't do that with any of the Vent models..

If I had to choose just one pedal, I would pick the Burn for it's versatility. That said, the one issue I have with the Burn is that while it's well built, it doesn't seem quite as robust as the Vents, and when I use it I don't place it on the floor (as I do with my Ventilator). I use a remote pedal for switching. The big issue is the rotary encoder.. I worry about stomping on that.

ccmacdon · Post by **ccmacdon** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:18 pm

timbukktwo wrote:ccmacdon- Have you tried Davd C. Polich settings for the internal leslie sim (under 'A better CX-3 Leslie')?

No unfortunately I haven't.. I've been really busy the last few months.. I saw the suggested tweaks but I haven't even updated my Kronos to the newest OS.. perhaps I'll get to that in the next couple of weeks.

timbukktwo · Post by **timbukktwo** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:55 pm

ccmacdon- I own the N.I. Mini Vent (Organ). I haven't had experience with any other leslie sim to make a qualified comment, so I appreciate your comparisons. What I do know is that the Mini Vent was the unit that first employed a slightly improved sim algorithm, then the Vent II. Even though the Mini Vent has less features than the Vent II, because of the improved Kronos CX-3/Leslie sim with the tweaks, it sounds quite good enough for me to not get the Vent II being that the Kronos has basically the same kind of tweakable features (in one unit). Some here have noted to them the Kronos leslie effect still isn't quite there in comparison to the Vent II, but (especially working with the Davd C. Polich settings) is close enough to me in most cases.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:20 pm

Myself, I find the Kronos sim is good enough. Besides, those pedals aren't cheap. Until somebody creates a 5 pound Leslie 122 that only costs about fifty bucks, I'm gonna stick with what I've got!

Davd C. Polich · Post by **Davd C. Polich** » Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:36 pm

How does one go about ordering the GSI Burn?

timbukktwo · Post by **timbukktwo** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:00 am

jeremykeys- Even though I know you buy an instrument in what it will do for you at that moment in time (perhaps with some continued support), I'm secretly hoping that Korg will continue refining/improving the Kronos. It can't be everything (and you can't please everyone), I know; it's ALREADY(!) so much, but I believe it can be even more. I'm also hoping for continuing success to grow for Korg through (especially) the Kronos. I'm absolutely fine with so many of Kronos attributes already (as if I've mastered everything, anyway [lol!]); although, I would still gladly take any and all of Korg's improvements along the way! Like you, I'm pretty content with the leslie sim. With me, although not a purist (can't afford to be!), it's got to come real close. I'm a FIRM believer in excellence! The Kronos is a product like no other I've ever owned. I believe in the Kronos and really want it to excel wherever and however it's possible. I desire for Korg to 'tweak a little more' the Kronos out of the ball park. Just a few things that others have mentioned in other threads are the same things I would agree on. I know Korg is listening; but, I wonder what their thinking? In any event, I (-whisper-)- 'thank you, again, Korg . . .' -T.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:01 am

Davd C. Polich wrote:How does one go about ordering the GSI Burn?

By buying it from Crumar: http://www.crumar.it/?a=store

Derek Cook · Post by **Derek Cook** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:55 pm

Or direct from GSI

http://www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=41