What synth engine would you most like? - heads up Korg!!

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What synth engine would you most like added to your Kronos?

MOSS (Prophecy, Z1, Moss EXB's)
12
29%
Radias (inc Radias EXB)
10
24%
MS-2000
0
No votes
Enhanced Definition Synthesis (EDS - from the M3)
1
2%
M1 DSS-1 (inc ROM cards, as per Nintendo DS-10 version)
2
5%
Monopoly (recreation like the Polysix)
10
24%
Mini Korg 700 (recreation like the Polysix)
1
2%
Wavestation
3
7%
DW-8000
1
2%
Wavedrum (maybe with a USB Wavedrum controller for the Kronos?)
2
5%
 
Total votes: 42

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andyc69uk wrote:... Yes, what a gaff to not be able to import from Triton or M3 (or any other legacy products). Again, I am sure it is just a case of writing a program that will do the conversion. In some cases you would need to include a different multi-sample but hey, I have noticed that the Kronos includes many of the same multi-samples from the afformentioned so many patches could, in theory be replicated. Much as I like Korg, I can't help but think that they have not invested nearly enough themselves in the Kronos. It could be the most successful, brilliant product ever but fails for want of time and love from it's creators. And don't get me started on the naff, placky data entry wheel....!
Technically, MOST of the samples are in the Kronos that were in many of the previous synths. I've found a few missing when converting patches but some of the multi-samples were crap and are not worth carrying over. For example, during the DSS-1 era, your multi-samples were stored on a floppy disk, and not a high density floppy disk. A 720k floppy disk. When you listen to the samples they used back then TODAY, you realize how crappy they are by today's standards. But in some cases, some of the raw waveforms (like from the DW-8000's) SHOULD have been brought over. In most cases, they weren't. So short answer, the waveforms worth keeping were brought over. The rest weren't. Most of the sounds from the previous synths don't hold a candle to the Kronos' patches. Why convert them?

In my opinion, if Korg wanted to make me giddy with excitement on adding something to the Kronos, it would be to bring over features from the previous synths that are ironically absent from the Kronos. For example:

1. The DW-8000 programmable arpeggiator. 64 notes in any order, being able to lay them down live and have them repeat was a cool feature.

2. A FREAKING TRUE ARPEGGIATOR (a.k.a. ability to create simple KARMA patters from the keyboard). I bought an M3 and an M50 at the same time. M3 for gigging, M50 for practicing. I sold the M3 and had to gig the M50 because KARMA simply can't work as a proper arp without buying additional software. Not practical when you need to create something on the fly, away from the house. And yes, it happens more than you would think. If Korg would give us the ability to create arps using Karma (which it can easily do), that would be great. Until then, I'm gigging my M50 instead of the Kronos. How sad.

3. A true Vocoder. There's a reason the Korg DVP-1 is STILL bringing insane prices. I will not sell mine for anything. While the Kronos has a great vocoder EFFECT, it isn't a true vocoder and can't do cool stuff like Pitch Shift. Come on Korg, give us at LEAST Pitch Shift.

4. PolySix Chord Function. One of the coolest features of the PolySix was mysteriously left out. NO idea why. Now I wish I'd have kept my PolySix (and my DW-8000's)

5. Draw a Waveform with the joystick from the DSS-1: Kinda useless as a main feature but pretty cool as a bonus and you could make some really cool, dirty sounds with it. (Should have kept my DSS-1 as well).

The KRONOS is an amazing workstation and nothing on the market competes. They gave us all of the features than the masses would want but left out (in my personal opinion) some of the cool features the masses would have learned to love. The above is a short list off the top of my head from the gear I sold when I ordered my Kronos.
Current Korg Gear: KRONOS 88 (4GB), M50-73 (PS mod), RADIAS-73, Electribe MX, Triton Pro (MOSS, SCSI, CF, 64MB RAM), SQ-64, DVP-1, MEX-8000, MR-1, KAOSSilator, nanoKey, nanoKontrol, 3x nanoPad 2, 3x DS1H, 7x PS1, FC7 (yes Korg, NOT Yamaha).
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Post by SanderXpander »

McHale, as I told you in the other thread about PolySix, you can set chord memory in the OSC/Basic patch and select one of the eight chord pads as source/reference. I believe this works for every engine, not just PolySix.

Btw I also really enjoyed waveform drawing! Fun way to get a unique-ish sound!
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A PS3100 engine would be my first choise, and then turning it into a PS3300 in combi mode.
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To add a bit more context to the original post/poll, I was less thinking about ways that you could emulate the older instruments with a large amount of effort in programming and finding the right ROM sounds. The main things I personally am interested in (as a couple of you have also touched on) are:

1) The experience of using the instrument (or some part of it) - ala the Polysix. The look, feel, navigation of, special features of the original instrument where possible.
2) Patch compatibility (inc if at all possible the ability to load previously conflicting patches eg Moss from Prophecy/Z1/various Moss EXB's, Radias and Radias EXB). More about bringing all of the older libraries into the future. This may require some additional ROM sounds to be included within the OS, however given the size of the SSD, and streaming capabilities this should not be an issue.

As some of the comments have indicated, the foundation of some of these instruments exists in various ways within the Kronos already, so it shouldn't be impossible to create engines/instruments/emulations of the originals.
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I'd love to see the brass physical modelling engine from the MOSS board.

And more filter types! TB-303, formant, comb, models from various analogs.
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Post by Purusha »

I don't really feel like I'm lacking an engine at the minute.

More filter models would generally be good.

Improvement to the sequencer would be more important i.m.o.
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I'd love to see a monopoly. I think that one is the most "Doable" for Korg. I'd have a whole SLEW of ideas if we could look beyond Korg!
SanderXpander wrote:Personally I would really like additional FX rather than engines - a better vocoder, better "analog style" overdrive, more bitcrushing options, etc.
I'm not missing too much although I suppose more analog synth models are always welcome. Often it's more about the interface and character than the options.
+1000 A PROPER vocoder would be a BIG DEAL in the Kronos! Minimum 16 band please.
psionic311 wrote:I'd love to see the brass physical modelling engine from the MOSS board.

And more filter types! TB-303, formant, comb, models from various analogs.
I would like to nail some other classic synths a lot better too. This would definitely help!
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SanderXpander wrote:Yeah that too! It annoys me that the IFX filter HAS to use an LFO. Sometimes I'd like to apply a filter to a whole combi (like an orchestral thing) and I can't. Good filters as IFX/TFX would be great for a lot of modern sound design.
Maybe I'm not understanding. The Multi Mode Filter effect has a built-in LFO, but you can set the amount to 0 and modulate the cutoff directly via a controller (or other DMod source).
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Really? I tried this before and couldn't seem to get it to work. Thanks, I'll give it another try.
I know you probably can't say anything, but I just have to ask - is it at all likely that new engines will be released for the Kronos, like they were in the Oasys days?
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McHale wrote:3. A true Vocoder. There's a reason the Korg DVP-1 is STILL bringing insane prices. I will not sell mine for anything. While the Kronos has a great vocoder EFFECT, it isn't a true vocoder and can't do cool stuff like Pitch Shift. Come on Korg, give us at LEAST Pitch Shift.
I would like to see an improved vocoder effect, as well. The current one is certainly a "true" vocoder, however; it's not clear to me why you would say otherwise.

Pitch shift is not related to vocoding - it's a completely separate thing - and is available in five different KRONOS effects, including Pitch Shifter, Stereo Pitch Shifter, Pitch Shifter BPM, Stereo Pitch Shifter BPM, and Pitch Shift Mod.
McHale wrote:4. PolySix Chord Function. One of the coolest features of the PolySix was mysteriously left out. NO idea why.
Actually, we thought it was so cool that we let you use it with all Kronos engines - not just the PolySixEX. See the Operation Guide under "Using Chord mode."
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Post by Dniss »

:wink:

I wish effects could be developped by 3rd party, purchased, and installed like a sound library.

And for the engine, the Korg Mono/Poly perhaps?
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danatkorg wrote:
McHale wrote:3. A true Vocoder. There's a reason the Korg DVP-1 is STILL bringing insane prices. I will not sell mine for anything. While the Kronos has a great vocoder EFFECT, it isn't a true vocoder and can't do cool stuff like Pitch Shift. Come on Korg, give us at LEAST Pitch Shift.
I would like to see an improved vocoder effect, as well. The current one is certainly a "true" vocoder, however; it's not clear to me why you would say otherwise.

Pitch shift is not related to vocoding - it's a completely separate thing - and is available in five different KRONOS effects, including Pitch Shifter, Stereo Pitch Shifter, Pitch Shifter BPM, Stereo Pitch Shifter BPM, and Pitch Shift Mod.
McHale wrote:4. PolySix Chord Function. One of the coolest features of the PolySix was mysteriously left out. NO idea why.
Actually, we thought it was so cool that we let you use it with all Kronos engines - not just the PolySixEX. See the Operation Guide under "Using Chord mode."
I was wondering if you could free up CPU power and create GUI space by developing the vocoder as an engine instead of an IFX. Personally I would like more options to adjust the effect and fewer options for the synth source (which right now is any engine). I really would only use it with a mic and a synth sound. The IFX you could use with any two sources but I really think that most people by far are not interested in mixing a sitar preset with a choir to see what the vocoding would sound like.
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Dog gone it SanderXpander I was interested in that at all until you posted it up now i have to try. :lol:
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You can still do that with the current vocoder ;)
Let's have a new one that excels at what most people will want to use it for!
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