Korg Havian 30

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 6:52 am

The Havian is a BOTL Korg arranger, tied to a digital piano. Do you understand me now?

Incorrect

Take more care Diki

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:00 pm

Dikikeys wrote:
The Havian is a BOTL Korg arranger, tied to a digital piano.

I think it's the other way around. The Havian is a "Digital Piano" with some basic features borrowed from arranger keyboards.

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:11 pm

Yes Sam - that is correct (thanks).

Korg are marketing it as a Digital Ensemble Piano, and definitely not as an arranger.
It is found here: http://www.korg.com/us/products/digitalpianos/
This is also how my local retailer is sensibly positioning it.

It is a Digital Piano with current top of the line quality PA arranger features.

I repeat that I was surprisingly impressed.

Cheers

Pete

pippuzzo · Post by **pippuzzo** » Sun Jun 21, 2015 6:11 pm

Hi,

I had the possibility to briefly test one few days ago and have to say that I'm positively impressed.

The action looks fine, piano sounds are well balanced and playable (better for sure than pa3x), ep (with choice of rhodes and wurlitzer) are ok, all others seems more than average level, with a choice of a new harpsichord (for baroque lovers) and finally a decent clavinet (the one inside pa3x it's frankly speaking horrible).

Looks good, it's not gigantic (like 588 was - terrible - sorry ...), doesn't weight a ton: have to say that it seems a very focused product and worth considering for 1500 euro including the stand (for home use). I'm seriously thinking about it.

Going to the piano/arranger debate: I honestly found it in the piano section of the shop and it was IMO in the right place. It looks like a piano with some choice of accompaniment more than a BOTL with 88 keys. Just my thought.

Hope this help.
Cheers

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:05 pm

Wow! What a bunch of semantics!

Surely no-one can argue that the arranger features in the Havian are from the TOTL or even MOTL Korg arrangers? What does that leave?

And when two things are combined, does it really matter to anyone which order the ingredients are listed in? Is it a digital piano with arranger features, or is it an arranger with a digital piano keybed and sounds?

Some here seem to care FAR too much!

The only thing that matters, to anyone not absolutely determined to start a fight, is that it does NOT have the TOTL or even MOTL arranger features, and hence, lives or dies on its ROM piano sound. Thank you Pippuzo for not dancing round the issue and actually giving a positive comparison about the ROM piano, and being able to favorably compare it to the regular arrangers' ROM piano without the need to drag it home and play them side by side through the same speakers!

But I would disagree that it is a digital piano with TOTL arranger features, Karma. Where is the sampler? In fact, where are most of the features that distinguish the difference between even the PA900 and the PA3X, let alone the PA600 and the PA3X?

Or are you going to try to convince us that a PA600 is a Korg TOTL arranger?

Look, guys, they are just tools... There's no reason to get your hackles raised because it is possible to critique some of the features. Personally, I honestly believe that if Korg made a digital piano with the feature set from the PA900, or even the PA3X, it would sell well. In fact, if they DID make one of those, I have no doubt that the same people trying to start a fight here would be saying what a great product it was!

But because they don't, up go the ramparts, and the status quo must be defended. I don't get it... arrangers, pianos, they are simply tools to make music. Tools that can be improved. Certainly nothing that needs leaping to be defended at the first sign of criticism.

Just answer this simple question... If Korg made a digital piano with better than PA600 features, would you be telling everyone it is a terrible mistake, that Korg don't know what they are doing, or would you be applauding the thing?

I rather expect the latter.

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:41 pm

This is a DIGITAL PIANO primarily.... with some arranger capabilities!

olliesps · Post by **olliesps** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:58 pm

I think every model produced by every manufacturer targets a certain market segment. As for the Havian 30, the price and features looks very alluring. Not every player requires or need TOTL features and neither would he/she wants to pay for it. But with the 420 styles it can't be said to be BOTL since I have not seen a BOTL keyboard with this number of styles whether they be 61 or 88-key. As for me I am a home player and have an aging arranger and an older digital piano. Seems perfect to use the Havian to replace my two older keyboards.

Dikikeys · Post by **Dikikeys** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:09 pm

I agree that the Havian appeals very well to a certain market segments. What is unfortunate is, there isn't ANOTHER model catering to those that want better arranger features than the Havian has.

I find it somewhat amusing that the very people that have decided that, for THEMSELVES, only the TOTL Korg is good enough, but somehow have decided that, for others that would like to play a weighted 88 action, the BOTL features should be perfectly adequate! Who are they to decide?

If the PA600 is adequate, sell your PA3x's, your PA900's. Apparently, you don't need them!

Or allow those that feel that a TOTL arranger is just as legitimate in an 88 weighted form as a plastic 61 to have their opinion.

Doesn't anyone see the hypocrisy here?

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:35 am

In case you missed it….
This is a DIGITAL PIANO primarily.... with some arranger capabilities!

And those arranger functions from the current arrangers (i.e. PA3X/900).
Fact, no argument.

Diki wrote:The only thing that matters, to anyone not absolutely determined to start a fight

There's only one person so often determined to do that on these forums and that is yourself.

Diki - seriously man, take great care of yourself - you always seem incredibly stressed and angry - maybe this is why your posts are so aggressive and contradictory - a polite suggestion (regarding this topic at least) is to maybe consider actually trying the Havian or even simply buying a Korg arranger - then your comments would perhaps hold more weight, be more respected and even helpful and fewer topics would get spoiled by your constantly aggressive negative attacks.
Just a polite suggestion my friend.

However, don't turn this into another Diki tantrum - not acceptable any more, sorry.

Thanks

Sam CA · Post by **Sam CA** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:19 am

Unbelievable!

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:43 pm

Pete and anyone who tested Havian by himself , there is a very significant information that has to be clarified there ...
Does Havian have the same sound interface as PaSeries ? for instance , can you meet there 24 OSC per factory sound ?

This information is very important if you consider that Havian is a Japan Korg product , and the first time that a Korg product
use PaSeries sound architecture , and surely this declares a lot for next flagship arranger that can probably be under Korg
Japan signature & technology and surely bad news for KorgPa

EDIT : Just downloaded and read Havian manual and saw the architecture there !!!
Yes , Pa3X (paSeries) sound and styles engine (except sampler), an accurate copy of all features of Pa OS , something close to Pa300 ...
So , make your conclusions of all above I wrote ....

nitecrawler · Post by **nitecrawler** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:28 pm

AntonySharmman wrote:Pete and anyone who tested Havian by himself , there is a very significant information that has to be clarified there ...
Does Havian have the same sound interface as PaSeries ? for & , can you meet there 24 OSC per factory sound ?

This information is very important if you consider that Havian is a Japan Korg product , and the first time that a Korg product
use PaSeries sound architecture , and surely this declares a lot for next flagship arranger that can probably be under Korg
Japan signature & technology and surely bad news for KorgPa

EDIT : Just downloaded and read Havian manual and saw the architecture there !!!
Yes , Pa3X (paSeries) sound and styles engine (except sampler), an accurate copy of all features of Pa OS , something close to Pa300 ...
So , make your conclusions of all above I wrote ....

No conclusion here, but rather a question. I get an implication that all PA series keyboards will be manufactured in Asia rather than Italy. Or does it imply that more "cross pollination" can now be expected between the two divisions?

karmathanever · Post by **karmathanever** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:42 am

Antony wrote:This information is very important if you consider that Havian is a Japan Korg product , and the first time that a Korg product
use PaSeries sound architecture , and surely this declares a lot for next flagship arranger that can probably be under Korg
Japan signature & technology and surely bad news for KorgPa

Whoops - I hadn't picked that up!!! So does this mean that MAYBE Japan is possibly the current "PA4X" developer??

If Japan is the PA future, what is/will-be happening to the Italian team?

Hmmmmmm….

Pete

nitecrawler · Post by **nitecrawler** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:16 am

karmathanever wrote:
Antony wrote:This information is very important if you consider that Havian is a Japan Korg product , and the first time that a Korg product
use PaSeries sound architecture , and surely this declares a lot for next flagship arranger that can probably be under Korg
Japan signature & technology and surely bad news for KorgPa
Whoops - I hadn't picked that up!!! So does this mean that MAYBE Japan is possibly the current "PA4X" developer??

If Japan is the PA future, what is/will-be happening to the Italian team?

Hmmmmmm….

Pete

Hard to say. I have heard nothing announcing this from Korg Japan or Korgpa Italy. One could further speculate that the consolidation of free pa styles and other downloads to Korg.com indicates a new direction as well. Food for thought for sure. Then, the jump between the Havian and the assumed PA4X is pretty substantial.

AntonySharmman · Post by **AntonySharmman** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:24 pm

karmathanever wrote:Whoops - I hadn't picked that up!!!

He-he , I was sure that you would ...

karmathanever wrote:So does this mean that MAYBE Japan is possibly the current "PA4X" developer??

Yep , if KorgPa has been taken over by Korg Japan ... for the rest ... who knows !