A new Workhaus for a Music Production?

Bachus · Post by **Bachus** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:49 pm

Its awfully quiet this one...

A friend got one, he is running it on windows 8.1, bootcamp works just perfectly

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:55 pm

It is so quiet that I can now hear the power supply of my monitor which is really annoying me!

Unfortunately the TB Raid System I got to use with it is so noisy it is unusable!

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:01 pm

chilly7 wrote:[Did u puted the latest firmware?
i remember it had some issues in the time of realise and Apple made update very quickly.

Yep fully updated, still problems with powering off, not helped by the system log showing a successful shutdown! Grrrrrr.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:55 pm

chilly7 wrote:
SanderXpander wrote:While the round design is kinda pretty and helps to stand out from the crowd, I really don't get it. It seems a decision completely motivated by style. My friend, a Mac user since the very beginning, actually built his first Hackintosh last month because he couldn't fit his MOTU card into the new Mac Pro.
It is not just about design, it has very good thermal capabilities which makes machine to be dead silent even on max performance. U might not even get that silent machine on max performance even with liquid cooling with the traditional desctop case.

Of course, it helps that any expansion cards which normally obstruct airflow can't be fitted at all

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:11 pm

SanderXpander wrote:
chilly7 wrote:
SanderXpander wrote:While the round design is kinda pretty and helps to stand out from the crowd, I really don't get it. It seems a decision completely motivated by style. My friend, a Mac user since the very beginning, actually built his first Hackintosh last month because he couldn't fit his MOTU card into the new Mac Pro.
It is not just about design, it has very good thermal capabilities which makes machine to be dead silent even on max performance. U might not even get that silent machine on max performance even with liquid cooling with the traditional desctop case.
Of course, it helps that any expansion cards which normally obstruct airflow can't be fitted at all

And no noisy and hot hard disks.

I have run some pretty heavy loads on the cpu and both GPUs to see if i can get it to make a noise but failed. It does get quite hot though!

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:44 pm

It only takes SSDs? That doesn't seem like a great idea for audio recording? I guess a TB HDD is easy enough to hook up...

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:05 pm

SanderXpander wrote:It only takes SSDs? That doesn't seem like a great idea for audio recording? I guess a TB HDD is easy enough to hook up...

Just a single PCI Express flash storage device internally. It is fast though around 950MB/Sec.

I'm not bothered about recording to it, why do you think it would be a problem?

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:11 pm

Well mainly because of size constraints and because of the max IOPS of SSDs (which gets worse if the disk is nearly full). It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me for a studio computer. I do love the speed of an SSD, I use one for my boot drive in both my laptop and my desktop, and another one for my samples in my desktop. But I have an extra 1TB drive in my laptop that's, say, 70 percent full right now, and probably like 3TB total storage in my desktop. Probably not more than 2TB full, to be fair, but I don't even record that much audio. For a studio running regularly 16 or 32 tracks at 24/96 that would basically require an external drive bay then. Which is fine but kinda ruins the point of the nice tidy quiet machine.

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:30 pm

For a studio external storage would definately be needed.

For me, not too much of a problem

I have a couple of USB 3 disks attached for samples etc, and got on of these http://www.caldigit.com/t3/ for my work files, unfortunately it is pretty noisy and is being returned to see if it is faulty.

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:38 pm

BobTheDog wrote:
chilly7 wrote:[Did u puted the latest firmware?
i remember it had some issues in the time of realise and Apple made update very quickly.
Yep fully updated, still problems with powering off, not helped by the system log showing a successful shutdown! Grrrrrr.

I see. I would advice u to ask Virus too,maby the did something wrong too so USB not working propertly because other USB devices then Virus work perfectly?

Also as i know Apple has a free telephone u can call them, maby they can help u?

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:45 pm

SanderXpander wrote:
chilly7 wrote:
SanderXpander wrote:While the round design is kinda pretty and helps to stand out from the crowd, I really don't get it. It seems a decision completely motivated by style. My friend, a Mac user since the very beginning, actually built his first Hackintosh last month because he couldn't fit his MOTU card into the new Mac Pro.
It is not just about design, it has very good thermal capabilities which makes machine to be dead silent even on max performance. U might not even get that silent machine on max performance even with liquid cooling with the traditional desctop case.
Of course, it helps that any expansion cards which normally obstruct airflow can't be fitted at all

If u need PCI slots then get this

http://www.magma.com/expressbox-16-smart
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/echoexpress3r.html

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:48 pm

BobTheDog wrote:
chilly7 wrote:[Did u puted the latest firmware?
i remember it had some issues in the time of realise and Apple made update very quickly.
Yep fully updated, still problems with powering off, not helped by the system log showing a successful shutdown! Grrrrrr.

maby u Mac is defective? I would edvice to call Apple or bring it to authorized Apple shop so they can take a look.

chilly7 · Post by **chilly7** » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:56 pm

SanderXpander wrote:Well mainly because of size constraints and because of the max IOPS of SSDs (which gets worse if the disk is nearly full). It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me for a studio computer. I do love the speed of an SSD, I use one for my boot drive in both my laptop and my desktop, and another one for my samples in my desktop. But I have an extra 1TB drive in my laptop that's, say, 70 percent full right now, and probably like 3TB total storage in my desktop. Probably not more than 2TB full, to be fair, but I don't even record that much audio. For a studio running regularly 16 or 32 tracks at 24/96 that would basically require an external drive bay then. Which is fine but kinda ruins the point of the nice tidy quiet machine.

U can put external HDrives to box or closed so they do not make noise.
I have this one http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?id=10600 4TB version and it is noisy even though it is fan less so i put it in to desk so it does not make noise and connect it to Mac via Thunderbolt

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:05 pm

chilly7 wrote:
SanderXpander wrote:
chilly7 wrote: It is not just about design, it has very good thermal capabilities which makes machine to be dead silent even on max performance. U might not even get that silent machine on max performance even with liquid cooling with the traditional desctop case.
Of course, it helps that any expansion cards which normally obstruct airflow can't be fitted at all
If u need PCI slots then get this

http://www.magma.com/expressbox-16-smart
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/echoexpress3r.html

Yay! I can't wait to buy a 500 buck box to add basic functionality to my 4000 buck computer! :p
Same goes for HDDs.

Kinda spoils the design if you have to have external stuff with cables and their own looks constantly hooked up.

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:51 pm

chilly7 wrote:U can put external HDrives to box or closed so they do not make noise.
I have this one http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?id=10600 4TB version and it is noisy even though it is fan less so i put it in to desk so it does not make noise and connect it to Mac via Thunderbolt

chilly7 wrote:If u need PCI slots then get this

http://www.magma.com/expressbox-16-smart
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/echoexpress3r.html

External PCI-express rack-units... external hard-drives... Bulky. All at extra cost. And wires and noise galore.

Destroys the form-factor and design theory of the Mac Pro, no?

You may as well get a normal tower unit and be able to install anything and everything into it, away out of sight. Modular, functional, practical, cheaper, and with no trailing wires.