Jupiter80 vs Kronos

panrixx · Post by **panrixx** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:17 pm

Spakie, you prefer the Roland - that's fine. Now go and play on the Roland forum - what is the point of you being here anyway?

keyplayer14 · Post by **keyplayer14** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:28 pm

sparkie wrote:
Keyplayer, I dont have to wear reading glasses or use an awkward stylus on the Jupiter screen either as the Kronos requires.

Actually it's my eyesight which requires me to wear glasses, not the Kronos. I wear them when I'm using my V-Synth too. I don't see how using a stylus could be described as awkward, still I don't think it's an important point anyhow.
Btw, I actually do like the Jupiter - and may consider getting one!

sparkie · Post by **sparkie** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:31 pm

panrixx wrote:Spakie, you prefer the Roland - that's fine. Now go and play on the Roland forum - what is the point of you being here anyway?

And since you dont have any issues with your Kronos you shouldnt be here either!! You contribute nothing but smartass remarks! No go play your Kronos!

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:02 pm

Sparkie, what an utterly clueless remark once more.

I have no Kronos issues either, but as a Kronos user I have certainly more to contribute than someone repeatedly spreading idiotic crap about BOTH the Kronos and the Jupiter.

Just get the message that you may well get by with that kind of posts in the Clan Forum, but that most here are not unintelligent enough and not really interested in a certain kind of pathetic nonsense.

Exactly as Panrixx said: if you like the Jupiter, fine!
Many of us like some Jupiter sounds as well.
But that is no reason to tell us an X for a Z about the devices we and you use.

sparkie · Post by **sparkie** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:30 pm

jimknopf wrote:Sparkie, what an utterly clueless remark once more.

I have no Kronos issues either, but as a Kronos user I have certainly more to contribute than someone repeatedly spreading idiotic crap about BOTH the Kronos and the Jupiter.

Just get the message that you may well get by with that kind of posts in the Clan Forum, but that most here are not unintelligent enough and not really interested in a certain kind of pathetic nonsense.

Exactly as Panrixx said: if you like the Jupiter, fine!
Many of us like some Jupiter sounds as well.
But that is no reason to tell us an X for a Z about the devices we and you use.

I have been a member for 6 yrs, you and Panrixx not even a yr.. but somehow you both are big forum know it all gurus!! When a dispute or comparison, difference is mentioned or commented on you both tear the poster apart as if your world has been disrupted. I am glad you and Panrixx and others like 100% the Kronos as it currently is, but if you read there are others that have problems or see differences and would like improvements to make it even better. You dont, so be it. The thread is called JUPITER VS KRONOS and not "lets bash anyone that likes the Jupiter 80".

BTW have you or Panrixx bothered to even donate anything to keep the site running? Just curious..

aron · Post by **aron** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:46 pm

A few things I liked from the video were the random setting. Basically it randomizes some parameters. I also liked that you could create your layers like a Yamaha P80 piano. Basically you choose a piano, then press another sound to layer. Just like a basic home piano and very easy to use. I didn't understand the "ultimate" choice because a lot of times it had nothing to do with the sound in general, but it was an interesting option to have.

It's clear that the Jupiter is giving a nod to some arranger type of keyboards with terms like registration and the use of easy layering with large easy to press buttons. The supernatural sounds seem like Roland's answer to Tyros articulations.

It was funny to hear the guy talk about velocity samples when Roland was the most famous one for hearing large different transitions before! In any case, they did a good job with the supernatural piano.

Most of the instruments have nice swells and dynamics. I'd like to hear the instrument without that massive wash of reverb over everything. Just too much reverb for me.

sani · Post by **sani** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:03 pm

sparkie wrote: I have been a member for 6 yrs, you and Panrixx not even a yr.. but somehow you both are big forum know it all gurus!! When a dispute or comparison, difference is mentioned or commented on you both tear the poster apart as if your world has been disrupted. I am glad you and Panrixx and others like 100% the Kronos as it currently is, but if you read there are others that have problems or see differences and would like improvements to make it even better. You dont, so be it. The thread is called JUPITER VS KRONOS and not "lets bash anyone that likes the Jupiter 80".

BTW have you or Panrixx bothered to even donate anything to keep the site running? Just curious..

RayS or sparkie,
it's really sad and annoying that you have to jump in and make a mess of an otherside civilized discussion about the Kronos and the JP80. You have nothing to report, nothing to say that makes sense. You have repeated some of your silly arguments ad nauseum while at the same time it turned out that you were unable to understand and handle the most basic things on your previous Korg workstations. You have now a Roland keyboard, you are member at RolandClan and even there you got a warning from the moderator within your first contributions. What's your point? What is your intention? It's not a civilized discussion, you can't add anything to the discussion because you ask the most basic question about the JP80 over there at the Clan Forum, while at the same time you raved how easy the keyboard is to understand. We all know that the JP80 sounds great. Now move on. You are just provoking.
And BTW, it absolutely doesn't matter how long somebody is a member here. You don't gain any special rights being a long time member. And it's definitely not your business to ask whether somebody has donate to the site or not.

sparkie · Post by **sparkie** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:36 pm

sani wrote:
sparkie wrote: I have been a member for 6 yrs, you and Panrixx not even a yr.. but somehow you both are big forum know it all gurus!! When a dispute or comparison, difference is mentioned or commented on you both tear the poster apart as if your world has been disrupted. I am glad you and Panrixx and others like 100% the Kronos as it currently is, but if you read there are others that have problems or see differences and would like improvements to make it even better. You dont, so be it. The thread is called JUPITER VS KRONOS and not "lets bash anyone that likes the Jupiter 80".

BTW have you or Panrixx bothered to even donate anything to keep the site running? Just curious..
RayS or sparkie,
it's really sad and annoying that you have to jump in and make a mess of an otherside civilized discussion about the Kronos and the JP80. You have nothing to report, nothing to say that makes sense. You have repeated some of your silly arguments ad nauseum while at the same time it turned out that you were unable to understand and handle the most basic things on your previous Korg workstations. You have now a Roland keyboard, you are member at RolandClan and even there you got a warning from the moderator within your first contributions. What's your point? What is your intention? It's not a civilized discussion, you can't add anything to the discussion because you ask the most basic question about the JP80 over there at the Clan Forum, while at the same time you raved how easy the keyboard is to understand. We all know that the JP80 sounds great. Now move on. You are just provoking.
And BTW, it absolutely doesn't matter how long somebody is a member here. You don't gain any special rights being a long time member. And it's definitely not your business to ask whether somebody has donate to the site or not.

Sani, OK Ill look forward to reading some of your intelligent remarks and posts also, especially since mine dont make any sense, I found your posts pretty boring and ad nausem also to be quite honest with no content!! Sorry but thats life!

Maybe you should just overlook mine as Panrixx said he would but obviosuly hasnt yet. Easy to do you know!

The FLOOR Is all yours, Jims and Panrixxs!! Type away on your comparison of the the 2 keyboards!! We all want to hear all your intelligent remarks and comments on the 2 keyboards!! I assume you all have a Kronos and a Jupiter..dont you.. or are you just making slurs without owning both???

Edit: My mistake Sani.. I just read that you dont even own a Jupiter 80.. ?? Amazing all the comments you made just reading an online manual and such!! Have you even heard one ..In Person? I doubt you could make any honest or "intelligent" comments under the circumstances. Just guessing that you do have a Kronos?

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:57 pm

aron wrote:A few things I liked from the video were the random setting. Basically it randomizes some parameters. I also liked that you could create your layers like a Yamaha P80 piano. Basically you choose a piano, then press another sound to layer. Just like a basic home piano and very easy to use. I didn't understand the "ultimate" choice because qa lot of times it had nothing to do with the sound in general, but it was an interesting option to have.

It's clear that the Jupiter is giving a nod to some arranger type of keyboards with terms like registration and the use of easy layering with large easy to press buttons. The supernatural sounds seem like Roland's answer to Tyros articulations.

It was funny to hear the guy talk about velocity samples when Roland was the most famous one for hearing large different transitions before! In any case, they did a good job with the supernatural piano.

Most of the instruments have nice swells and dynamics. I'd like to hear the instrument without that massive wash of reverb over everything. Just too much reverb for me.

I did not like the way the presenter used the sounds. Not good at all IMO. Scott's demo was so much better. I liked his technical explanations on SN, but they weren't new to me.

When Roland switched to SN their sounds changed radically. Attack samples coupled with physical and behavioral modeling allowed for no velocity switching and real time behavioral responses. It isn't just on the pianos, but every SN sound, so those swells and dynamics can sound very natural.

I think he was saying alternate choice.

aron · Post by **aron** » Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:52 am

Ahh ok alternate choice! Thanks!

Roland has wanted to do this sort of thing for a while now. It's similar in concept to the D-50, just way more powerful. Yes the swells sound very natural - especially with the D-Beam.

I miss the D-Beam!

JuneauUnderground · Post by **JuneauUnderground** » Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:55 am

I have both the Jp80 and the Kronos. And they both ar fabulous music making machines. Completely different animals designed for different things. One compliments the other. Those who like to bash gear be it Roland or Korg need to take a breath and go play some music.

Morshu · Post by **Morshu** » Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:31 pm

you do have to program the kronos to get the jupiter80 sounds, but the kronos is capable of replicating the sounds better than the jupiter 80 can replicate kronos sounds ie: you cant make the jupiter 80 sound like an ensemble of ms-20s like the kronos can. dont buy a roland, until it becomes analog 16 part multitimbral or at least reminiscent of its ancestors such as the jupiter 8☆ =]

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:02 pm

Morshu wrote:you do have to program the kronos to get the jupiter80 sounds, but the kronos is capable of replicating the sounds better than the jupiter 80 can replicate kronos sounds ie: you cant make the jupiter 80 sound like an ensemble of ms-20s like the kronos can. dont buy a roland, until it becomes analog 16 part multitimbral or at least reminiscent of its ancestors such as the jupiter 8☆ =]

Kronos can't replicate many of the things the Jupiter does and the Jupiter can't replicate many of the things the Kronos does. Why would you need a Roland to sound like an MS-20 when Korg already does a good job of that?

cello · Post by **cello** » Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:05 pm

Bruce Lychee wrote:Kronos can't replicate many of the things the Jupiter does and the Jupiter can't replicate many of the things the Kronos does. Why would you need a Roland to sound like an MS-20 when Korg already does a good job of that?

Exactly!

DavyP · Post by **DavyP** » Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:10 pm

Bruce Lychee wrote: Kronos can't replicate many of the things the Jupiter does and the Jupiter can't replicate many of the things the Kronos does. Why would you need a Roland to sound like an MS-20 when Korg already does a good job of that?

Presumably if you could only afford/choose to purchase the JP80 rather than the KRONOS????

Then it would be an advantage to have a keyboard that could cover a lot of bases??

If you are forced to decide between 2 choices this could become a factor in making your decision.