Korg's new Kaossilator Pro.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:58 pm

called the manager at Sam Ash...word is that they are shipping NOW!!!! as I am typing in fact hahaha. He's setting one off to the side for me.

k0va5 · Post by **k0va5** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:36 pm

SMK wrote:called the manager at Sam Ash...word is that they are shipping NOW!!!! as I am typing in fact hahaha. He's setting one off to the side for me.

ive had word they ll be in the counrty next week.. sweet... although im still not sure about this new apregiator, will have to try it out

Genesisco Kid · Post by **Genesisco Kid** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:32 pm

RichF wrote:Genesisco Kid- I almost never check PMs. Ask in public, so everyone can benefit!

Heh... that was the first time I've actually PM'd a person. I guess it felt important for me to try and voice the questions and other statements apart from the potential muddiness of the public pond. Here's some recaps of what I asked... and responses...

Genesisco Kid wrote:Will the KoPro allow loop tempo to be set independent of internal clock... This is a feature that the current Ableton 8 software has built in (simply called the "looper" plug-in/[effect])...

RichF wrote:Loop tempo is always based on the internal clock, so the loops will always be in sync. We also have a "looper" audio-in effect in the KOPro, but it functions more like the "Loop Slicer" effect on the KP3.

Ok... so the KP3 (but not the KOPro) has one setting (out of 128) that allows something like what I'm talking about? That's interesting. Originally w/ Ableton (pre-8 ) you had to time whatever you were doing (or midi-sync/slave) to Ableton's tempo (sounds like same with KOPro/KP3). It kind of sucked if I was dropping (for instance) some "non-midi" drum kit or vocal percussion intro because I needed to hear a click track to be on time. BUT THEN... Ableton 8 came out, adding the "looper" effect... and THAT allowed me to lay out a phrase at my tempo/pacing and THEN have Ableton's clock fall in line with that... even if it was something like 117.53bpm.

So that's what I was looking for in the KOPro... and with it's 4 tracks. And you're saying that's not available, but might be on the KP3? How... where... using what effect?

Genesisco Kid wrote:saying the "sound/pitch degrades" was not accurate on my part (compared to bit-crunching, running a lo-fi filter, or using lossy compression, etc.)... so that's not what I meant.

I guess the issue I'm having trouble with... is that software (like Ableton) is able to change tempo while not altering pitch (changing sound)... I also know that Ableton is software and uses a lot of code and "digital magic" (programming) to get that quality...

But then what about dedicated looping pedal hardware like Roland's RC line of products (RC - 2, 20XL, 50) that allow tempo changes w/o changing pitch of what's looping (... same goes for products from Digitech, Electro Harmonix, Gibson, and others).

My brain is bothered that other hardware developers have included this feature, and Korg has not.

RichF wrote:We DO incorporate independent pitch/tempo adjustment on many of our sampling products... Just not this one. Remember that the KOPro is primarily a synthesizer, and doesn't have a sampling engine as robust as the KP3. If the independant pitch/time adjustment is crucial, you'll really want to pair it with something like a KP3.

That response helps... along with some things you mentioned about cost of development and keeping that down for the consumer... and also keeping the variation fresh and complementary among/between KORG's hardware offerings.

OK, so I'm probably asking the same thing in a different way... but what I want to be able to do is once a loop is going (sampled), tap out a slower/faster tempo (or twist the knob) without the sound being altered by a change in pitch... just a pure, clean, same sound... but slower/faster. And so that is not going to be possible on the KOPro? But the feature exists on the KP3? Again... how... where... using what effect?

Thank YOU for taking some time to reply... it is helpful and demonstrates dedication to end user questions/input.

Peace.

RichF · Post by **RichF** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:53 pm

Genesisco Kid wrote: 1. So that's what I was looking for in the KOPro... and with it's 4 tracks. And you're saying that's not available, but might be on the KP3?

2. OK, so I'm probably asking the same thing again in a different way... but all I want to be able to do with the KOPro is once a loop is going (sampled), tap out a slower/faster tempo (or twist the knob) without the sound being altered by a change in pitch... just a pure, clean, same sound... but slower/faster. And so that is not going to be possible on the KOPro? But the feature exists on the KP3?

Let's say on a KOPro, loop A is playing, with the tempo set at 120 BPM. If you use the tap tempo (or PROGRAM/BPM knob) to choose a new tempo, the original loop will be adjusted to fit the new tempo, slowing it down or speeding it up, and it WILL affect the pitch. Now, let's say you DON'T adjust the tempo, and start recording loop B without a click, at a faster tempo (say 140 BPM). After you finish recording loop B, which is faster than loop A, the KOPro will continue to record silence until the loop ends, because the length of the loop is determined by a) the system tempo and b) the number of beats you've selected as your loop length.

Just like the KP3, the KOPro lets you set the length of a loop based on BEATS, which is a subdivision of the system tempo. This is why they always stay in sync.

bluemind · Post by **bluemind** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:54 am

Continuing to post some new KOPro videos, here's a teaser from sonicstate, can't wait for the full review

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2wwsDfEIHA

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:41 am

bluemind wrote:Continuing to post some new KOPro videos, here's a teaser from sonicstate, can't wait for the full review

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2wwsDfEIHA

Ok wait a minute! The reviewer stated that he was controlling the KOpros synths with a midi controller keyboard!!!

I thought Rich said this was not going to happen (aside for some extensive mapping). I need to watch this again. I think the reviewer is misrepresenting something here.

bluemind · Post by **bluemind** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:49 am

SMK wrote:Ok wait a minute! The reviewer stated that he was controlling the KOpros synths with a midi controller keyboard!!!

I thought Rich said this was not going to happen (aside for some extensive mapping). I need to watch this again. I think the reviewer is misrepresenting something here.

There's probably some mapping going on at the laptop-end, but they promised to show how to do it when the full review comes out.

salamanderanagram · Post by **salamanderanagram** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:10 pm

@SMK it looks like it's connected via USB midi, so it's probably going thru the laptop, and is certainly not directly connected. shame.

Hugo · Post by **Hugo** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:29 pm

I see the guy in the vid isn't holding down the pads while recording from the midi keyboard - I thought this wasn't possible? It always annoyed me having to operate this way on the original, so definately cool if this is adressed in the KoPro - unless this is also something he set up on the computer...?

salamanderanagram · Post by **salamanderanagram** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:35 pm

hugo, you only have to press down for overdubbing, i think. not sure exactly how it works...

bluemind · Post by **bluemind** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:20 pm

Hugo wrote:I see the guy in the vid isn't holding down the pads while recording from the midi keyboard - I thought this wasn't possible? It always annoyed me having to operate this way on the original, so definately cool if this is adressed in the KoPro - unless this is also something he set up on the computer...?

I've watched probably all the videos available about the KOPro

and there seems to be two ways for recording. First is the original kaossilator style where you hold down the button and it records (hopefully only the internal sounds) and the second one is when you record something from an external source, you press record and then the bank. The second way seems to record from the external source AND also the internal synth sounds so you can play with both hands.

It's shown in the sonicstate video and on more detail in the japanese namm review video.

Damn, I'm a geek...

RichF · Post by **RichF** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:23 pm

bluemind wrote:
SMK wrote:Ok wait a minute! The reviewer stated that he was controlling the KOpros synths with a midi controller keyboard!!!

I thought Rich said this was not going to happen (aside for some extensive mapping). I need to watch this again. I think the reviewer is misrepresenting something here.
There's probably some mapping going on at the laptop-end, but they promised to show how to do it when the full review comes out.

If you have a MIDI controller that can send customizeable CC messages from the keys, you can do it directly... otherwise, you'll need software as a go-between.

Mr36 · Post by **Mr36** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:25 pm

If you have a MIDI controller that can send customizeable CC messages from the keys, you can do it directly... otherwise, you'll need software as a go-between.

Someone please humour me here... Can a MicroKorg do this?

RichF · Post by **RichF** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:26 pm

No, sorry.

Mr36 · Post by **Mr36** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:34 pm

More humouring required...

What about an M-Audio Oxygen 8 V2 or an Alesis Performance Pad?

Feel free to tell me to get lost and just look in the manuals.