PA OS 2.0!

[robkeith]

Romans, the birth of civilisation, that of course was after they had finished throwimg people to the lions, and nailing them to crosses.

Come on, you dont write " A whole new Keyboard " in a press release if its going to not be that. I could be disappointed, but I have a feeling I will not be. Have you noticed all the secrescy????? not a mention of anything, except those few dnc demos
Now this could be the greatest release of all, or the worst disaster, make no mistake Korg Italy built this one up, so i'm sure they are going to back it up.

My only real disappointmnet has been that its not rleased as yet, come on Korg dont wait till the 30th to let it out of the cage, I think you have the hype now, as you wanted, but holding off till the 30th, wont win any more friends, as Paolo said "Golden Beta" so its ready to go i'm sure

[nikola81]

I know that there are gonna be disappointed people, cause 2.0 is not gonna play or set up by itself. Working with a keyboard (especially arranger) requires a lot more knowledge. O.S. 2.0 is bringing good stuff for people who know how to use it, for others is gonna be "we need something new", well start practicing and even 1.51 is gonna sound good.

[macboy]

Exactly.

People are better off not believing the publicity Korg is putting out in the press release.

So than you can never be disappointed

[BasariStudios]

Trust me, OS 2 for 80% of the people in here would make NO DIFFERENCE
at all, nothing, nada, zero. To be able to use OS 2 you need a lot of knowledge
and experience with synths and programming, which is very rare in here.
So we should stop the buzz about something thats pointless and also lets be
patient, when it comes out it comes out, it'll be public.

[TommyF]

OS 2 for 80% of the people in here would make NO DIFFERENCE

But then why does Korg write "it is almost like getting a whole new keyboard" on korgpa.com

Kind regards,
Tommy

[mrkorg]

Because it is the equivalent to other manufacturers designing a new keyboard and upgrading the softare.We only have to update the software.

[robkeith]

Hi Mr Korg and others,

you know people are working exibits of half full, half empty, there are those that practice half full, and generally thier dreams will allways be filled. Those that practice half empty, will never have what they need or want, its a self fulfilling prophecy, if you think bad it usually turns out that way.

Personnally I can see a lot of users using the "expect nothing then if somethings ok its a bonus", hey works for some. Can I ask why Korg would say " Its like a whole new keyboard" and dont say marketing, because I think this statement goes beyond that, could it be that the complete shut off of information from Korg, and the fact that Paolo has referred to something like "we will be pleasantly surprised" makes this upgrade fantastic, not only for experienced users but novice as well. Its OS2 folks, recent upgrades to M3 OS2, and I hope Oasys comming soon have certainly on the M3 been fantastic. Remember, thats why they gave us easy and advanced settings on the board in the first place.

Can I ask Mr Korg, and I am not trying to be agumentative, do you work for Korg? your words "we give you software upgrades" makes me think that you do. If so, then are you trying to dampen expectations of users at the behest of Korg. If this is the case then yes i think the upgrade will be a dissapointment, if not, then why do you try to defend inadequecy's on Korgs behalf?

Lets use the glass half full until we get the upgrade, if we indicate that lesser is acceptable, we would be sending the wrong signals to Korg, they must achieve at least to minimum expectations and goals always should be set higher to acheive a lesser amount, thats the way it works.

For once I hope that the negative posts of expect little are very wrong, I guess we should not have to wait too much longer to find out

[mrkorg]

Hi Robkeith,

No i don't work for Korg, i just use thier products. It's funny when someone appreciates the services from a company, he/she are labled as working for them.

What my previous post was implying, is that other companies such as Yamaha will upgrade thier keyboards by releasing an updated or as some would say a slightly updated version of the previous model and sell it for thousands of dollars. With Korg we have our keyboards updated for free
via the internet. So in reality we are getting a new keyboard because if Korg were to follow Yamaha's policies, they would have released OS 2.0 in a new version of the pa2x pro labled "Pa2x pro elite" for thousands of dollars, however that is not the case we are getting it for free.

I'm not defending anybody, i am happy that i'm a Korg user who is expecting OS 2.0 and many more future operating systems for free rather than being with another company and having to pay thousands for any update.

Which method is better?

[robkeith]

I only asked the question Mr Korg, I made no accusations, and I'm glad that you can be free and independantly minded.

MMMMMMM, I had a Tyros2, and thought that was the greatest, and allthough T3 is a small upgrade, I think when you view it, SA2 voicings and other improvements, ,makes it a pretty huge upgrade, if it had 76 keys would have been ultimate. Has the fact that T3 is a small upgrade stopped purchasers from buying? I think not, and lets face it the ultimate game is sales, no matter who you are.

Yes I prefer the free upgrades, but I dont want to sell my soul for them. The mere fact that they are free, makes me stand in line and wait for the bones to be thrown out of the tower. If you look at Oasys, they have a combi of free and paid upgrades, this I believe has been the better formulae, and I think Korg will adopt this as time moves along. Logically I think OS2 was derived because the major faults with the PA boards could only be addressed with a major software upgrade, and the arrival of T3 and soon to be Audya made it an imperative. Because its free means that the only real bones we have have been thrown so far are the dnc x 3 small mp3 files, and a small page of upgrades in writing, even with those two things, without having them to play with and use, gives us no clearer picture of what its all about, and I'm surprised that Korg haven't released more detail and avi's so far to show what its all about.

I would like to see a list of things from Korg, whereby we could rate them in order of importance, and set the costs for pre pay to have those upgrades. Guess what?, then we are participating in the upgrades and all the secrecy that surrounds them goes out the window, as it should. When you have paying custiomers they need to be informed of the processes along the way. Lets get there asap, and please if you have to have secrecy, dont tell us anything until you release it, because Korg italy have built the expectation so high that it better be good, lets hope there are some relieved faces in Italy when we finally get OS2 out

[karmathanever]

I would like to see a list of things from Korg, whereby we could rate them in order of importance, and set the costs for pre pay to have those upgrades. Guess what?, then we are participating in the upgrades and all the secrecy that surrounds them goes out the window, as it should. When you have paying custiomers they need to be informed of the processes along the way.

Problem is that none of us are working for Korg or know anything about their marketing and product development strategies. Clearly there is competition right now with Audya (if it ever appears), & Tyros 3.
Even though there are pre-release OS 2.0 versions out there, secrecy within Korg may be paramount to their success in a business sense. They will want to SELL new machines as well as keep us all interested and most likely not want to"release" information too soon. Ketron have done this - lots of demos, lots of info - so if the competition is smart it will take heed and figure out what may be threatening. Possibly Korg is doing this right now - who knows?.

So far Korg has kept its word - release in November and it will be free.

Hey, I'm only guessing here just like everyone else - we will not know until the update is available.

See ya

Pete D

[keith-helen]

I have been sitting on the floor in this nice white room (see previous note sent) and have not been able to keep up with all the developments which no doubt are happening, however, I have had plenty of time to think about this situation.

I am of the view that ultimately all anyone/we/I can do is wait.

If I accept that this is the situation then all the comments/views expressed increase expectations and speculation, which encourages further dialogue.

Therefore l suggest we wait for the OS a, use it and then make constructive comments which can be made known to all.


I hope this note reaches the forum as I have sked the nice man in the white coat to pass it to Mrs Poppins to send on.


Best wishes to all


Keith Lawton

[mrniceneasy]

The Hill's are alive with the sound of ...Whispers!

[BasariStudios]

To clarify my self, i dont mean to offend anyone in the above post but what i means is:

As we already know each other in here and thru times we learnt who knows
what and who can do what. What i meant is that OS 2.0 wont make any
difference to the majority of us in here. Facing reality most of us still ask
questions as how to LOAD or how to lower Volume on a Track, OS is not only
about it. It is sad that NOT MANY of us would take advantage of OS 2.0 since
it gets more Complex with better and greater achievements but it needs a lot
of previous knowledge too. Its like, what a difference would a BOING 747
make to you if you can fly even a 1 engine airplane, its the same, that or that.
There MIGHT be some bugs fixed which were bugging you till now and thats
all about it, nothing new would be there for most of us.
And what i've notice is that most of the people that are Unpatiently waiting
and asking for it is mostly the Users i mentioned above this sentence.
No, dont think OS 2.0 will do wonders for you, expect that your PA2X/800
will work exactly like it is now and there wont be any difference at all so
dont get dissapointed when it comes out, pray for bugs to be fixed.
I hope some of us that actually know something will help the others.

[BasariStudios]

But then why does Korg write "it is almost like getting a whole new keyboard" on korgpa.com

Exactly THAT! What is stated above gives you the answer. Yes it is like
a completely new keyboard but not to all, only to some.
To some wont make any difference at ALL, OS 1.0 or 2.0.
And there would be many dissapointed faces after OS 2.0 expecting miracles
and actually not knowing what to do with it...complains all over again.
And RobKeith is right, it is an almost completely new machine, in my
knowledge and experience with synths after OS 2.0 when i sit on it
i am 100% sure that it would be a NEWER world to me then now.

[robkeith]

Thanks Nedim..... I concur