So it looks like awry Namm geting worse and worse.

[chilly7]

Analog booth at NAMM: https://youtu.be/G6gtjK0KTOQ
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I am a huge fan of modular designed synths...

However, this video absolutely shows why i prefer virtaull analogue... espescially when it comes to modular synths

I do not think plugins can sound as good as analog or better.

And here is why:
I was looking for truth and here is my thought what truth can be:

Computer plugins never will be as good as analog or better.


Talking like this or that plugin sound the same as analog or it cannot be picked up any difference between a plugin and the real analog thing is not true and this talking come from deaf people and who have no access to the best audio playback equipment or people lair on purpose.

And here is why computer's plugins will never be as good or better then real analog:


1)Modern computers are based on mathematic. And mathematic cannot replicate our world exectly as it is. It alwas does it approximately.
2)Real world has so many parameters going on that modern human knowladge has no clue of.
3)But even if all that was known to people how they can code billions of billions parameters which in addition interact with each other in no linear way?




Solution to the problem i see:


Computers have to be based not on mathematic but on something which can replicate our word as it is. But even if that done 2 and 3 is still look like impossible to achieve.


So for now the only valid solution i see to resurrect high quality 100% sound path analog music equipment and instruments.

And recordings or performances are made at 100% analog path.


And the final mix down will go to:
1. The best in the world converters and the best digital audio formats for storage on computers so people can listen that on modern computers.
2. Restore production of high end tapes and high end vinyl for studio use and consumers listenings.
3. Develop better analog audio storage medium then tape which will fix some problems of it for example to increas dynamic and frequency range, reduce noise, longer playback time but also be more portable for studio use and consumers listenings.

[Jan1]

Behringer posted on Facebook that: 'this year's NAMM show is our last. Thank you to all who stopped by to say hello, we look forward to having you as a guest in our Customer Experience centers.'
If this is the beginning of a trend then NAMM shows will become progressively even less interesting.

[fcoulter]

Behringer posted on Facebook that: 'this year's NAMM show is our last. Thank you to all who stopped by to say hello, we look forward to having you as a guest in our Customer Experience centers.'
If this is the beginning of a trend then NAMM shows will become progressively even less interesting.

The vast majority of music merchants are not bothering to sell high end keyboards. NAMM is aimed at music merchants. So I'd only expect high end keyboards on display at NAMM from companies that ALSO create consumer level keyboards. (Yes, I'm looking at Yamaha and the ilk.)

I wonder what trade show's Behringer is planning on attending in the future, or if they've just written them all off as irrelevant to their sales.

[Koekepan]

I wonder what trade show's Behringer is planning on attending in the future, or if they've just written them all off as irrelevant to their sales.

If I were in charge of marketing at Behringer, I'd probably drop all the trade shows, and concentrate on the people running websites such as synthtopia, sonicstate, bboytechreport and so on. They have a broader and more reliable reach than a once-a-year shout drowned out by every other manufacturer in existence.

[Koekepan]

And here is why computer's plugins will never be as good or better then real analog:

1)Modern computers are based on mathematic. And mathematic cannot replicate our world exectly as it is. It alwas does it approximately.
2)Real world has so many parameters going on that modern human knowladge has no clue of.
3)But even if all that was known to people how they can code billions of billions parameters which in addition interact with each other in no linear way?

I see what you're trying to say, but you should remember that analogue synthesis is also based on mathematics. Every circuit path replicates a mathematical function. It just happens to be a noisy, messy approximation, just the same way that you can estimate digits of precision using a slide rule but that doesn't make the slide rule more accurate or precise than a pocket calculator. (Remember that accuracy and precision are different things.)

What you're arguing for, in effect, is the virtue of a messy signal source. This is fine - lots of people prefer it - but many people also look for something different in their sounds, depending on the genre of music. If you're trying for the simplest pure tone available (often found in genres such as space ambient) then the analogue circuitry's sloppiness is a disadvantage.

Some food for thought.

[chini]

And here is why computer's plugins will never be as good or better then real analog:

1)Modern computers are based on mathematic. And mathematic cannot replicate our world exectly as it is. It alwas does it approximately.
2)Real world has so many parameters going on that modern human knowladge has no clue of.
3)But even if all that was known to people how they can code billions of billions parameters which in addition interact with each other in no linear way?

I see what you're trying to say, but you should remember that analogue synthesis is also based on mathematics. Every circuit path replicates a mathematical function. It just happens to be a noisy, messy approximation, just the same way that you can estimate digits of precision using a slide rule but that doesn't make the slide rule more accurate or precise than a pocket calculator. (Remember that accuracy and precision are different things.)

What you're arguing for, in effect, is the virtue of a messy signal source. This is fine - lots of people prefer it - but many people also look for something different in their sounds, depending on the genre of music. If you're trying for the simplest pure tone available (often found in genres such as space ambient) then the analogue circuitry's sloppiness is a disadvantage.

Some food for thought.

It's that "approximation" where the magic happens. In synthesis each time a key is struck, unlike digital, it is impossible for analogue to repeat exactly the same sonics! However I agree there's great sonics to be had with both and of course in combination they can enter other exciting galaxies of sound! It's all good!

Any digital/analogue argument as far as synthesis is concerned is a somewhat futile one between the two in terms of creative power- individually they can produce unique sounds derived from opposite ends of sonic precision. Digital can produce the perfect sine or square wave where as analogue by its infinitely random nature can not.

Strictly speaking neither is good at emulating the other precisely because each originates from opposite ends of that "precision line". Looking at it this way one could in fact say that analogue is just as bad at replicating digital as digital is at replicating analogue!

Hence individually they are best suited to different sonic tasks but in combo they can often form a great marriage!

[chini]

I do not think plugins can sound as good as analog or better.

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I agree as far as direct emulations of classic kit are concerned! Though some people do actually prefer the emulations! and that's cool too!…

However technically speaking because digital by its very nature can not be programmed to be infinite ( because "infinite" in analogue terms means infinitely random!) a plugin is always going to be lacking. A plugin may get closer and closer the more sophisticated the algorithm is programmed but like the frog who leaps half as much each time to reach the other side of the stream, he will never actually get there- unlike our analogue frog that leaps over the stream first time and then infinitely beyond!

I think plugins are better appreciated in their own light. For example I love the original Lexiverb plugin I have on my 2001 ProTools Mix system to the modern version on HD/X. The modern Lexiverb plugin simply doesn't sound nearly as pleasing to my ears. This is no doubt partly due to the older, less sophisticated/clean/pure converters (Digi 888/24!). However I wouldn't compare the Lexiverb with my PCM70 simply because they are different types of reverb. Having said this however one thing the TDM Lexiverb does have in common with the PCM70 is that you can larrap as much or as little wet signal as you like and somehow the source signal never seems to lie separate from the wet signal which is a common displeasing anomaly of a lot of other plugins and hardware reverbs out there!

[chini]

I wonder what trade show's Behringer is planning on attending in the future, or if they've just written them all off as irrelevant to their sales.

If I were in charge of marketing at Behringer, I'd probably drop all the trade shows, and concentrate on the people running websites such as synthtopia, sonicstate, bboytechreport and so on. They have a broader and more reliable reach than a once-a-year shout drowned out by every other manufacturer in existence.

Yes! An apt observation! And a sure sign that the writing is on the wall for trade shows in general!

The internet and particularly YouTube have become the new launch pad for new products. The internet is taking over everything!

If one thinks about it: it's logical that if a company can inform their subscribed customers of "latest news" about their products on their YouTube channel why bother forking out thousands for staff/gear transport, hotel accommodation/food and the huger sums one pays the organisers of these trade shows for the space itself to set out ones stall?…!!

OK! one could argue that going to a trade show is like going to a Cinema to see a film on the big screen and it's nice to meet people face to face but still as far as informing the public is concerned the outlay of organising a live internet broadcast would be far less costly! and let's face it!… companies will do anything in this day an age to save money!