Fantom G and OASYS

[KingJ]

Overall, there won't be any workstations to compete with the OASYS, anytime soon.
I'm sure Roland didn't intend for the Fantom G to be an OASYS killer, as another topic "The OASYS Killer ?" eluded to.
I suspect it was meant to give the M3 a run for it's money.........an M3 killer, if you would.

The USB mouse implementation on the Fantom G is a nice feature.
I wish that that feature had appeared on a Korg machine first, though.
It would be nice if Korg could add the feature, through a software upgrade.
How cool would that be?

I think the Fantom G is a serious threat to the Yamaha Motif XS and the Korg M3, but not so much the Oasys. The Oasys's biggest selling point for me is it's many synth engines, and the G only has one. I think a lot of Oasys and XS owners will probably buy the G, and add it to their setup, because it has more effects, and a much better sequencer than either one. I don't think the G is an Oasys killer, but I hope it makes Korg consider a big price drop for the Oasys.

[thekeymaster]

I think the Fantom G is a serious threat to the Yamaha Motif XS and the Korg M3, but not so much the Oasys. The Oasys's biggest selling point for me is it's many synth engines, and the G only has one. I think a lot of Oasys and XS owners will probably buy the G, and add it to their setup, because it has more effects, and a much better sequencer than either one. I don't think the G is an Oasys killer, but I hope it makes Korg consider a big price drop for the Oasys.

Or take a long hard look at their sequencer and attempt to improve on it...sorry to bring it up again but you have to keep trying

G does look nice though.

[sirCombatWombat]

I don't think the G is an Oasys killer, but I hope it makes Korg consider a big price drop for the Oasys.

Me neither, but about the price drop I don't agree. I think OASYS is, and will for some time be, worth every cent of it's asking price.

[vEddY]

I think the Fantom G is a serious threat to the Yamaha Motif XS and the Korg M3, but not so much the Oasys. The Oasys's biggest selling point for me is it's many synth engines, and the G only has one. I think a lot of Oasys and XS owners will probably buy the G, and add it to their setup, because it has more effects, and a much better sequencer than either one. I don't think the G is an Oasys killer, but I hope it makes Korg consider a big price drop for the Oasys.

I would assume that you're absolutely right about the first line, and completely wrong about the last:-) If you were to look things from the "first sentence perspective", I guess that if KORG will decide anything in terms of prices, it would be to do a price drop on M3. I mean, as I discussed with quite a few people over the past NAMM week, the OASYS/M3/whatever biggest missing link in the overall picture is and will remain the freakin' sequencer. I mean, the "ugly" side of the story starts from the very second you read a promo flyer, wether it's Motif, or Fantom, or Fantom-G, or PC3x. It's not only about PPQ, it's about a lot of other things. Everything about this was covered in a million articles on this forum. You just can't plan your long-term future on a product that's more then 10 years old (and most of the sequencer on KORG workstations is just like that).

That being said, OASYS isn't and never will be in the same price range as these keyboards. It was built for musicians who were willing to pay the price premium, and I'm pretty sure that it will never be discounted so heavily to compete with XS/G/M3 market.

[MartinHines]

[Hmmm... just wondering if 'all-ready-mastered' tracks can be streamed from flashdrives or hard-disks - or if it works some way like that with the 24track audio setup?

Possibly the same with Sample data - it mentions on that video something about USB streaming from Fav software DAWs....but the RAM issue - well - surely they've tested that, so that its enough for anything one might be doing 24track wise at any given time.

Given everything I have read, it appears all sampling, sample playback, audio recording, and audio track playback is done via the 544 MB of Sample RAM (the stock is 32MB but you can add a 512 MB module).
According to my calculations (based on Roland info), if you were to use all 24 audio playback tracks (you can only record one external audio input at a time) you could have 24 audio tracks that run 2.25 minutes in length.

The Fantom-G does have some type of new file management, so you can define a song (or is it a project?) that can have 544MB of samples associated with it. This means you can somewhat get around the limitation by loading a new set of samples from external medial with each song. The "kicker" might be how long it takes to load those 544MB of samples/audio data. Roland has stated loading is faster than the Fantom-X, but loading a fresh 544MB of data each song might not be practical.

The reality is that Roland has provided a good amount of functionality for this price point. I wish that Roland and Yamaha would take a chance and release something that is outside of the "normal" $4,000 workstation price point.

[massivevst]

I sold the Oasys 76 last december for desperation, i told this before... so i know the oasys well too.

Roland with the G make really a big jump, the big display TFT is amazing and also finally they can use one mouse.
the sequencer seem nice and easy, not comparable with the oasys features, but still are both simple basic sequencer, limited on tracks and always 16bit...

you fight always for the same problems...ram sampler, effects, sequencer and so on...remeber that they continue sell embedded system ( oasys is a PC I know BUT closed!) and then you will forever fight..because at the end, all of you are using a PC with VST plugins too.

just buy the Reaper SEQ and the Native Instruments Komplete Synths and you will cover the ALL the all keyboards synths around.

Oasys is really a nice workstation, BUT untill Korg wil NOT update this simple sequencer, the oasys will be never a professional workstation.
Korg.. make one agreement with the ARDOUR seq and then you will have the best!

regards
Gamper

[thekeymaster]

Oasys is really a nice workstation, BUT untill Korg wil NOT update this simple sequencer, the oasys will be never a professional workstation.


regards
Gamper

I hear what you're saying,the seq has had so much debate here so I'm not gonna carry on about its shortcomings.You do bring up valid points but the end of this sentence is sooooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong!

If the OASYS is not a professional workstation,I'm a nun and the rest of the ENTIRE back catalogue of workstations/synths ever released aren't either.

I know this is rich coming from me but as much as I know the Fantom will trounce the OASYS seq,its not THAT bad that its unusable and degrades it to such low levels.Ridiculous to think it as well.

Common sense needs to prevail.

[Derm]

If I was looking for a workstation to use as a true workstation then it would be high on my list, probably ahead of Korg, but I use my Oasys as a synth more than a workstation so the Oasys is still top of the pile, because that is it's forte IMO. Having said that though, the Oasys really needs some TLC in certain areas that have fallen behind the competition from all corners and I am a little surprised that something along those lines wasn't at least announced yesterday to boost/revitalize the sales of the Oasys. I thought an OS 2.0 was on the cards, bringing computer integration, some function button action etc. Winter NAMM, to me, seemed like the natural time to announce that and effectively re-launch the Oasys, capitalizing on it's reputation gained thus far and ensure the sales keep flowing.

Daz.

I very much agree. With the existing strengths of the Oasys, a re-written sequencer would revitalise the whole Oasys brand. I am not saying that it need revitalising as I dont know anything about sales figures. However if you had the option of a OS 2 Oasys with its primary weaknesses addressed would you even begin to consider the Fantom G. I wouldn't.
I dont know anything about writing code for sequencers etc. and I'm sure its a big job but its also certainly a worthwhile one that would lift this workstation to a new level.

[massivevst]

IF Oasys is really one Open system with a PC, then ALL is possible, because is ONLY software to merge untill will working.
here is another NEW probe that all is possible, give a look:
http://www.trinityaudiogroup.com/


you saw the last ardour features??
http://ardour.org/

Korg have ton of money and developers..they can just start to include into 8000$ Oasys some interesting too to be a WORKSTATION or wil remail only a nice synth!
I wil not ask about include VST support...BUT maybe they can value laso to include the DISSI-VST...FREE of Steinberg license...
http://ladspavst.linuxaudio.org/

If a small poor company like the Lionstracs are able to run this all windows application, ( I have installed in my mediastation the Komplete synth and are full working) I dont see where is the problem for a BIG company like the Korg.
In where direction I see wrong?

[AnthonyB]

Oasys is really a nice workstation, BUT untill Korg wil NOT update this simple sequencer, the oasys will be never a professional workstation.
Korg.. make one agreement with the ARDOUR seq and then you will have the best!

regards
Gamper

If I remember reading Sina172 talkiing to Stephen Kaye at NAMM, He said

"and according to him,(Stephen kay) they have to COMPLETELY rewrite the entire software in order for ANYTHING to happen""

So, if Korg do this, does that mean we will have to start all over again with the EXi Plug-ins - and re-register everything? (like starting from V-1.0 as if you only just "got" the OASYS?, even though it would be 1.4 or something if you know what i mean

A small price to pay though for a sequencer upgrade.


Will it happen??, Well............

[massivevst]

You are right, of course need a lot of work to rewite the all code...
How many years have now the Oasys? they dont had the time for value and upgrade ( merge from one available) the sequencer to one professional workstation?
they spent a lot of resouce of the sounds and synthesis, it mean that they are only oriented to give more new sounds system and not sequencer support, thats all.
it mean that the Oasys wil remain ONLY a nice synth and not more.
forget the sampler engine because they still use the old dated wave sampler system...used in the all korg keyboards.

Gigastudio and Kontakt are the only valued worldwide professional samplers..and now seem that linuxsampler make some prolem to tascam....more fast, more voice and more audio outs...cost nothing:
http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html

Korg..value also to include one Professional streaming sampler..
You ca tell here all the nice that you want on Oasys, but the Oasys can never compete with the Native Instruments VST Komplete package...
read again the old post here how many have request the Komplete into the oasys to be the best workstation...or you have forget?

This are the all probe that the oasys is only one amazing synth, no more.

regards
Gamper

[Sina172]

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[mdh]

You ca tell here all the nice that you want on Oasys, but the Oasys can never compete with the Native Instruments VST Komplete package...

I'm quite happy to take this challenge.

I'll provide my OASYS, and a laptop. You provide this claimed OASYS-killer piece of software.

We'll both get up on stage, you take the laptop and the software, I'll take the OASYS, and we'll both play 'chopsticks'. I'll even quite happily not actually use ANY real functionality of the OASYS bar putting it on program UA0 (the ESx2 piano tone) and using the keyboard. No combis, no sequencing, no KARMA, won't touch the mixer/modulation panel or the pads or use my foot controller.

An independent panel of judges will decide which performs better.


BTW you mention lots of software like ladspavst, ardour & linuxsampler like they are trivially executed on the OASYS. Korg do NOT run a linux userspace, they make use of bits of the kernel only. The insides is not some PC running Ubuntu (or whatever).

So you don't like the onboard sequencer? Don't use it. Nobody is forcing you to. Trying to compare the c. 2004/2005 OASYS sequencer with a c. 2008 DAW and having a whinge just makes you look like a tool.

[Charlie]

This is all quite off topic - but as it was mentioned here I have to ask: is it definitly true Korg will improve the O-Sequencer? Or just a rumour and the old wish?
I just seems so unlikely to me. I know, that Korg is listening - but having to rewrite it and have a complete new software - for a product already that "old" - and so many users having found alternatives to it? It's hard to believe it would make sense .... but I certainly wish it to be true, as I'm a frequent user of the O-sequ!

[massivevst]

right charlie...

do you have also valued for this USA product?
http://www.trinityaudiogroup.com/
cost about 900 US $....but look what for a SEQ , VST and Sound engines are included..
regards
Gamper