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mocando wrote:

roryn1 wrote:well I like to write and make music instead of fiddle with it so can someone just please step by step tell me how to make sounds? The manual doesn't say a single thing about making sounds and i've searched this forum/youtube/google, and there's nothing. I just want step by step instructions?

Well, how the HELL are you planning to do to make sounds if you don't FIDDLE with it and learn to use it?

I've already fiddled with it for a month and I'm getting sick of fiddling, I would rather be playing, which is the reason I bought it, you may have bought yours for fiddling, but I bought mine to play music

X-trade but the thing is I don't care about the technical stuff and how the software is built upon and that mumbo jumbo that only the person that built the thing should know. If it's that hard that you can't press a couple buttons to make a sound then I'll go back to my 20 year old X5 which seems to be able to make sounds, and the m50 CANT without switching waveforms and crap?

And I can play the piano, I have the certificates to teach, but I learnt with someone that knew how to do it and didn't tell me to figure it out on your own. I'm just asking a simple question and I'm here to get it answered. I've got the expierience I just need to know what to press to get to the thing that changes up sounds...

Well that is the thing. I you don't want to understand that a Workstation is built with some preloaded sounds, that you can tweak to your taste, but you got to learn how to do it properly. Still you don't want to learn how to do it. There is no magic button to read your mind and do what you want. You must FIRST understand basic subtractive synthesis, then apply to the M50 way of programming, then you might be getting close to what you want.

You will NEVER find a synthesizer loaded with your favorite sounds.

Go back to your 20 yo X5, sell your M50 on Ebay and get over with.

Jeeze

roryn1 wrote:X-trade but the thing is I don't care about the technical stuff and how the software is built upon and that mumbo jumbo that only the person that built the thing should know. If it's that hard that you can't press a couple buttons to make a sound then I'll go back to my 20 year old X5 which seems to be able to make sounds, and the m50 CANT without switching waveforms and crap?

And I can play the piano, I have the certificates to teach, but I learnt with someone that knew how to do it and didn't tell me to figure it out on your own. I'm just asking a simple question and I'm here to get it answered. I've got the expierience I just need to know what to press to get to the thing that changes up sounds...

The problem is that you are chasing after the wrong thing.
We can't tell you how to 'make a sound', because that is such a general area. it isn't really a question. its like asking 'how to cook', or 'how to play the piano'. it really isn't something that can be taught in one question and one sentence. there are lots of different questions inside that general title, like "how do i turn the grill on? what do i need to fry an egg?", "what notes are in the C Major Scale?", etc. we can help you with those micro questions, but we can't really easilly explain the whole concept to you.

And you aren't really talking about the software or how it is built, its not like you're being asked to read or write software DSP code or anything like that. its just like playing with knobs on an effect pedal or anything else, that IS how a sound is made, the only difference being that the M50 and other workstations have too many parameters so they use touch-screens and menus rather than filling the whole thing with knobs.
And it really does help to know how the architecture is arranged. I'm talking about the synthesizer architecture - its an abstract thing, because it exists in code. I'm not saying you need to understand the software, I'm saying you need to understand what it does and how to use it.
it helps to know for example that there is one oscillator/sample player that goes into two filters which can be arranged into a number of configurations, which then is controlled by an amplifier section.

the whole point of a synthesizer is that it turns a bunch of parameters into a useable sound, so therefore the only way to create a 'new' sound is to change those parameters. and there are pages of parameters. I suggest you start by going through the different pages in the menu.

The basic building block of any synthesizer is the oscillator waveform or the sample, so even on your X5 you must have to select a waveform when creating a new sound.

If you really "don't care" about the "technical" side of it, then just don't make your own programs. Because making your own programs is a technical thing.

maybe if you tell us what you would do on your X5, and then we might be able to tell you how you might go about achieving a similar thing on the M50.

mocando wrote:
You will NEVER find a synthesizer loaded with your favorite sounds.



Jeeze

My X5 CAN make sounds but the sound quality is 80's style music. The m50 does have the sounds I want, i'm not complaining about the sounds, it's just the selection for certain tones and stuff for what I need to make that perfect sounding sound isn't there because I can't find the application in the m50's software to tweak those sounds. I found it in the X5 so I know it's in M50.

it's ok X-Trade I finally got an email back from Korg and they told me the step by step instructions, and for anyone else who needs it because they don't know what an oscillator is and don't feel a need to know here it is:

Select the sound that seems most relevant for what you're looking for > click Page Select > OSC/Pitch > all you need is there!

none of you could have told me that?

roryn1 wrote:Select the sound that seems most relevant for what you're looking for > click Page Select > OSC/Pitch > all you need is there!

none of you could have told me that?

*I* did on page two of this thread. But you seem to post more than you read.

How are you going to learn if you don't want to learn or know everything already?

And your post above said you weren't complaining about the sounds but earlier in this same thread, you said they suck. You're REAL hard to help or take seriously.

-Mc

i don't see it anywhere where you said that mchale?

Sorry I was just getting really frustrated with this thing, they aren't crap, they just aren't what I was looking for and expected better presets but now that I can tweak them to the max extent they don't sound close to the presets so they aren't crap

you're changing the multi-sample. It should be P2.

When I get home, I'll type up something quick and dirty if you can't find it on P2

didn't hear back, so I assumed you actually tried it. So it's not like none of us tried to help. There were a LOT of posts that helped, you didn't listen.

-Mc

ok say you just got a brand new keyboard and they told you to use P2... what does that mean to you??? There isn't a P2 button on the keyboard. You would be lost too

again... you don't read. the posts above mine said this:

I assume you mean Page Select>P5 LFO, and then the list of waveforms at the top left pop-up menu?

then this

No, you want the oscillator page. You're changing the LFO modulation shape. you want to change the actual samples or 'recordings' that the keyboard is using to make its sound.

so when you read the whole thread, in order, it DOES make sense.

But, if you got all of your answers from Korg, this thread can be closed now because everything is better now.

Everybody wins.

-Mc

acording to me that doesn't make any sense still, and I'm not that computer illiterate

roryn1 wrote:acording to me that doesn't make any sense still, and I'm not that computer illiterate

thus,

google

the manual

reading the forums

-Mc

Please spend some time here, will help...

http://www.kvraudio.com/wiki/?id=Tutorials