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MrT-Man wrote:But I do have a hard time understanding why Korg can’t provide someone like Daz with the basic info he needs to make a proper editor/librarian..

There are Korg folks who have definitely helped me, within the limits of the information available to them, but the company seems to have a view to third parties that rather does them a disservice. And you the customer a disservice.

So yes when buying that sequencer of music tech product you're buying a lot more than just a CD with some code on it Companies that play nicely with third parties generally have a much better 'system' available. I like how Propellerheads for example have shared thir Rewire and Rex technologies broadening not only their own 'system' but those of others as well. Rewiring Ableton Live into Logic, thanks Propellerheads Rex loops are now something many different users can use in their chosen DAW.

Picking a DAW is really quite different from picking a keyboard

Again I am going to state the obvious possibly

Your DAW is going be right at the heart of your composing and/or recording setup along with your choice of computer and audio interface. Be sure to check out the forums and feedback given by real users regarding support for that DAW. There's nothing more disruptive than a centre-piece of your setup not being reliable or properly supported (or even abandoned entirely!). All forums are pretty much just going to be complaints, it is just a case of finding the one with least negativity But seriously it is worth checking out what the vibe of users is before letting a product and its manufacturer take you hostage.

I bought into RME after doing a lot of that kind of research and I have been very satisfied indeed. RME is a really classy company that keeps on delivering quality, reliability and compatibility. Their reputation is well deserved. Similarly, my Mac (not my music one) just went into be fixed under Applecare today. It was a slick front end experience and I know that fix will be handled very well too.

1c,

Daz.

Daz, thank you for the clarification. The marriage analogy is very good and true!

Daz wrote:Oh and working with computers these days (Macs in my experience) is way less of a problem than people like to make out (people who only use hardware or people who sell hardware). In all seriousness, hand on heart, working with my Mac with Logic and Waves has been far more stable and less disruptive than working with the Oasys in the same time period.

I have experiences with DAWs - Cubase, Logic - from the past, mainly using the MIDI sequencer, but I haven't tried them personally in the recent years. What about sound quality of new plugins, software instruments compared to OASYS? (OK, I know it's a complex question.) Other issues like latency, polyphony, good control interface - maybe also for live work?

Daz wrote:Picking a DAW is really quite different from picking a keyboard

Can you recommend a certain DAW setup for gigs in details - considering also portability and durability? Or you mean DAWs are for studio work, keyboards are for gigs.

Hi Akos,

if you go with a Mac, ...
Cubase, LOGIC, DP are very serious as DAW with MIDI

a more modern approach is
Ableton Live

best price/feature ratio has Logic
honestly no other investments necessary except a good soundcard (go for RME) !

I do work with LOGIC since many many years even I have to work with Protools in the studio - I do love LOGIC most

by the way my integration with the OASYS is like it should ... you have to work a bit in the enviroment page but it is no problem at all but it is no softsynth !

hope this gives a bit of a hint !

btw check out Mainstage (included in the LOGIC package) it is perfect for gigs

http://www.keyboardmag.com/GearVideo.as ... 7965002001

check this out, David is talking about Mainstage - for life gigs, ...

good luck, imusic

Thanks for the info, imusic.

Yes, I find Logic with MainStage very tempting. (I'm on Mac for sure - are there other computers at all? )

Using a good soundcard, say RME FireFace, how about latency, polyphony, and what is the overall sound quality of Logic built-in instruments compared to OASYS?

When talking about a DAW *for* OASYS I think it's a matter of taste eventually because the few best ones are basically similar. This setup can make the studio work more comfortable, but I also know it doesn't help us to play better or to write better songs at all.

When talking about a DAW based setup *instead of* OASYS I guess we musicians still have our most important questions about sound quality, latency, polyphony, portability, durability, keyboard and control surface. Considering all this I think OASYS is an unbeatable musical tool now. This was the main reason for me and for most of us to buy it.

Instead of editing, quantizing, pitching recorded material - the amazing modern functions that are used to advertise DAWs - it is much better and valuable to practice on our instruments until we reach the point, the professional level, when we can play exactly what we want and how we want it - for the first take. And for all other takes again, until needed. Machines do nothing instead of us. Talented professional musicians / songwriters / bands need good quality instruments and multi-track recording, nothing more. Period.

Sure, modern DAWs can help to experiment with sounds, arrangements or recorded material, and this can lead to enjoyable results. I think rarely.

imusic wrote:
best price/feature ratio has Logic
honestly no other investments necessary except a good soundcard (go for RME) !

Let me point out that the best price/feature ratio actually can be found with Reaper. You can find Reaper at http://reaper.fm/. Free to try, cheap to buy, great support, frequent (free) updates, and tremendous user support.

FWIW, I am not affiliated with Reaper or Cockos. I am a satisfied user.

milkojnr wrote:I use a Protools HD3 rig with my oasys. I have all the midnam files for Protools it is great. The midi is great in the new version.

I use the adat board directly into the 192 i/o.

It is great to protools so many different people have it makes it really easy..

Bump...

I'm bumping this to ask the question to all DAW users (I am using ProTools LE). The OASYS and Tritons all lose their effects when playing in multimode/sequencer mode. How do you guys get around this when using a DAW? Boards like the Virus etc. fully retain all effects and routings for each patch on each channel whereas the OASYS sounds thin during recording due to drop out of effects. Are there any workarounds aside from recording each track 1 by one (not in multi mode)? I sure do like the bank/patch selection etc. via ProTools with the proper midnam file but recording multiple channels at once sounds bloody aweful comared to the original patches with each individual effects. Just trying to increase workflow. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

I will put my 2 cents in....

Very happy with Logic.

My studio has the everything going to my iMac24" via the Optical minijack.

Limits one to do one channel at a time but for music composition its not a hinderence.

Actually would like to hear opinions from people on what hardware they recommend to bring say 16 Stereo channels into the iMac without having the luxury to "plug" in boards to facilitate live recording. Would have to be Firewire or USB. If firewire, the hardware must be 800mbits/sec.

Dr Who:

With 12 Insert Effects to play with, and a simple Copy Effects function, the Oasys has more real-time effects to play with than most hardware units, inc. Virus. I simply copy the effects I really need with the programs I'm using into a new Combi, and I'm away. If I run out, I just record some of the audio tracks into my DAW and keep moving...

jg::

jg:: wrote:Dr Who:

With 12 Insert Effects to play with, and a simple Copy Effects function, the Oasys has more real-time effects to play with than most hardware units, inc. Virus. I simply copy the effects I really need with the programs I'm using into a new Combi, and I'm away. If I run out, I just record some of the audio tracks into my DAW and keep moving...

jg::

I thought you could only use the copy effects shortcut only on one track at a time. Meaning if you had a pad sound in track 1 with a lot of chorus and reverb you could copy the effects in sequencer mode but if in track 2 you had an organ with a Leslie effect and did the copy effects shortcut with master effects you'd apply that to both track 1 and 2. So your pad would now have a Leslie sound. I guess you don't copy the master effects when using the shortcut? Seems like it may thin out the sound.

In regards to the Virus, you put it in multi mode and whatever patches you play in multimode they are exactly what you heard in patch mode. It makes auditioning sounds on sequences very very very simple unlike when using the OASYS/Triton family. You have to do zero work with the Virus. NO copy, no menus no nuthin. Pretty darn nice if you ask me. Obviously different beasts but it sure is a joy to use the TI2 with a DAW and not worry about adjusting each track because they sound so thin.

Something like a Leslie speaker would be used as an Insert effect, not as a Master. Like I said, with 12 Insert fx slots to fill up, the issue just doesn't come up as often as you might think.

I don't have problems with "thin" sounds.

jg::

jg:: wrote:Something like a Leslie speaker would be used as an Insert effect, not as a Master. Like I said, with 12 Insert fx slots to fill up, the issue just doesn't come up as often as you might think.

I don't have problems with "thin" sounds.

jg::

Hmm, I guess what I was gettign at was when you use the copy function if you choose copy effects and choose inserts and master for a program on track 1, then do the same for track 2 doesn't it copy the master and effects of the second program for track1 (program 1 as well)? I'll try it out tonight, I've got an open project. I always thought it would override the previous track. Kinda a little pain but not as much work as I thought if the copy program effects works well without copying the master effects. Will be nice if it works out; I guess this is a solution for all Korg workstations not jsut the "O" since they're all laid out in a similar fashion? BTW thanks for the suggestions, this board is ridiculously helpful!

You asked for a workaround for using all 12 IFX + 4 MFX when working with DAWs:

1) Easiest one is recording track by track to your DAW. Here's what I do: I record the Midi-Track, do the fine-tuning of it, then I record the Midi-track to an audio-track, then I mute the Midi-track and move to the next Midi-track. Once in a while I come across a situation in which the audio-track doesn't fit that well any longer to the mix. In this case I go back to the midi-track, demute it, adjust the sound on the Oasys and record it again to audio. All the tracks are named properly so that I find quickly the programs or combis I used for the first run.

2) What I DID before I worked like that was finding out which IFX are essential to create the sound-character I need (simply by switching them on/off while playing the midi-sequence). I switched of all the other IFX so I could use these free IFX-slots for other IFXs needed for other programs. This takes more time but allows you to have several programs performing midi-data sent by your DAW.

Overall 1) turned out to be faster and more powerfull although it might seem strange to use the Oasys as it wouldn't be capable of performing several different midi-tracks at a time.