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danatkorg wrote: Brief excerpt from the manual:

KSC stands for Korg Sample Collection. KSC files contain links to RAM and/or EXs sample data, including Multisamples, Samples, and Drum Samples. Loading a KSC file loads all of the linked sample data.

At startup, the KRONOS can automatically load one or more KSC files. This page lets you select which KSC files are loaded. These settings are saved automatically, and are not part of the Global PCG file.

Nice one Dan - thanks for the clarification. Any news on when the manual will be available for download?

Dan

ScoobyDoo555 wrote:

danatkorg wrote: Brief excerpt from the manual:

KSC stands for Korg Sample Collection. KSC files contain links to RAM and/or EXs sample data, including Multisamples, Samples, and Drum Samples. Loading a KSC file loads all of the linked sample data.

At startup, the KRONOS can automatically load one or more KSC files. This page lets you select which KSC files are loaded. These settings are saved automatically, and are not part of the Global PCG file.

Nice one Dan - thanks for the clarification. Any news on when the manual will be available for download?

Dan

Nothing to say yet, sorry.

- Dan

no worries - had to ask!!!

RichF wrote:Is it often that you need both a German and a Japanese grand piano loaded at once?
Do you always need the brass/woodwind expansion library on hand?
If you play with a drummer, do you need to load the new drum kits?

Let me write about my Yamaha EX5 (once more); you'll soon understand the link with your question.

In 1998, there was not enough processing power under the hood of the EX5 to handle more than one DSP (i.e. AN, VL or FDSP) voice(*) in a performance(*), and when a performance used a DSP voice only one voice in that perf could use insertion effects. Of course, there were workarounds: in the studio you could record every track separately, and on stage you could set up the perfs by chosing the voices carefully. Nevertheless, I have always found this very limiting and frustrating.
(*) voice in Yammish = program in Korgish
(*) performance in Yammish = combi in Korgish

Today, with the progress of technology, I'm absolutely not ready anymore to accept a compromise in consequence of too little memory on a high end workstation.

It's like you're telling a Frenchman who is willing to pay for a gourmet dinner in a fine restaurant that he can't have a starter, a main course, wine, cheese and dessert in the same meal.

Imo the only solution is to add 2 Gb more memory to the Kronos.

very very disappointed regarding the sampling memory, and explanations like just unload some preload data??? this workstation is being released in summer of 2011 not 2001, and as per Korg it is suppose to be a game changer??? with less than 200 MB of sampling memory available when fully expanded? what is the use of open sampling system if Korg is not even providing enough sampling memory (at least 2GB or more), I am truly surprised with Korg engineers while 12 GB of sounds, SSD are in KRONOS and sampling memory less than 150 MB? was sampling feature just an after thought? I use lots of ethnic/ middle eastern sounds, currently have NI Komplete 7 with North India DVD for Kore, and was hoping for better sampling memory..

NavidSyed wrote:very very disappointed regarding the sampling memory, and explanations like just unload some preload data??? this workstation is being released in summer of 2011 not 2001, and as per Korg it is suppose to be a game changer??? with less than 200 MB of sampling memory available when fully expanded? what is the use of open sampling system if Korg is not even providing enough sampling memory (at least 2GB or more), I am truly surprised with Korg engineers while 12 GB of sounds, SSD are in KRONOS and sampling memory less than 150 MB? was sampling feature just an after thought? I use lots of ethnic/ middle eastern sounds, currently have NI Komplete 7 with North India DVD for Kore, and was hoping for better sampling memory..

What happens when you want to use different sounds in your NI software?

You unload some sounds, and load new ones.

Same thing here - except that when you turn it on, a whole lot more sounds are instantly available, no wait time necessary. If you use a different set of sounds than the defaults, no problem there either - just set those up to load automatically at startup.

And, as has been mentioned many times previously, we are aware that it would be nice to be able to add more RAM.

Best regards,

Dan

I agree Dan that NI or any other software/ hardware samplers have limitations however my point was since the KRONOS seems to be excelling in all other departments (sounds, SSD, price considering the features when comparing to OASYS) why not have better memory specifications, anyway your response is both appreciated and encouraging I am hoping that extra sampling memory might be possibility in future via software upgrade? thanks again..

danatkorg wrote:
Nothing to say yet, sorry.

That's because Dan is under the "Cone of Silence"

It's kind of odd, people are, in a way, complaining that Korg is giving you too many sounds in the Kronos. I mean, they could leave out a whole bunch of sounds, still be giving you more than the competition, and bingo, you'd have more sampling RAM. All they're doing instead is leaving you the choice of which to get rid of, and the ability to very quickly swap them back in if you need them. Of course more RAM is nice, but it's not like there are tons of other workstations with SSDs and 4.7 gig pianos out there, either.

Really, looking at the whole picture, competitively even what's there is really terrific. Korg understands more RAM would be nice, and presumably there will be some version of the Kronos that will have it. For those who find the current amount of RAM a deal-killer, just don't buy it. Wait until a version with more RAM exists, or buy something else. It's not like nagging about it is going to change it.

Scott wrote:It's not like nagging about it is going to change it.

An OS update could change it all. That's all there is to it.

To NavidSayed and others,

Apples (pun) and Oay-ranges

What is your position on not using the NI Komplete or Karo (or any other soft synth) in it's normal computer environment as a sound source -- I'm assuming live, here, since it's generally acknowledged as a studio tool and use there would be less of a problem -- is it a hardware reliability issue? A stage set-up and security issue? A wiring complexity?

Obviously (to me anyway) it would be nice if Kronos solved all those problems, and 2 gig of RAM (or the ability to upgrade to that level) might do it. For many here it would appear that it might not.

But whatever the case it seems to me that buying a magnificently detailed AND memory intensive library for use on your computer would mean that you were resigned to actually using that computer with that library.

Arguing that you can't use them on Kronos strikes me a bit like complaining that you can't take your Steinway to gigs in your Ferrari.

BB

billbaker wrote:To NavidSayed and others,

Arguing that you can't use them on Kronos strikes me a bit like complaining that you can't take your Steinway to gigs in your Ferrari.

sorry I wasn't clear in my post what I was trying to say that I was hoping to use indian instrument samples in KRONOS without carrying a laptop, since most workstations lacks ( with some exceptions like Roland actually have an SRX : World) those ethnic instruments, tabla, harmonium and so on..NI sampler example was used for reference, I think Dan got the point, I was not planning on using NI in the KRONOS, yes I am a junior member but really not that stupid..

Scott wrote:For those who find the current amount of RAM a deal-killer, just don't buy it. Wait until a version with more RAM exists, or buy something else. It's not like nagging about it is going to change it.

NO WAY IN HE... well, heck.

I can't wait, if for no other reason than that I'm afraid that the radicals around the world seem hell bent on wrecking the world economy, and I'd add our current idiots in the White House in there. Why do you think I changed my signature? Besides, I want the best synthesizer in the world right now.

As for complaining not changing things... yes and no. Yes, in that nagging nudged KORG to produce a ram expansion for the OASYS, probably sooner than later. Or no, because the ram expansion option is already there in the motherboard, and we'll find out when it ships.

In the meantime, I'm playing the waiting game. And praying...

NavidSyed

Respectfully...

Are the ethnic instrument samples you want to use that big? By which I mean so large that 100+ meg wouldn't cover what you need? The SR-JV boards did their raw samples in a fraction of that space.

The reason I ask is that I'd guess that many of the tabla and other percussion instruments would be pretty short samples -- if, for that matter, they aren't in the Kronos already.

As to Sitar and other string instruments and Asian winds, many of those could be well covered by the string and wind modeling EXis. I'm looking forward to seeing if the Triton's Chinese Violin off the EXB's and the triton Extreme's Uillean Pipes are in there in HD... I certainly hope so.

That leaves Harmonium and a few other instruments that might require multi sampling.

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I'm not advocating mediocrity, you should use the best samples you can get - particularly if the type of music you want to do has specific needs not addressed by Kronos' native sample set. I'm just asking if the unsupported sound set is that large.


BB

EvilDragon wrote:4 GB of RAM and all problems solved. Korg knows this and they are aware of that. I would be very shocked if they don't release support for more RAM as an OS update, or until actual release in June/July or wherever.

I think you have to review the available facts:

- none of the demo models have 4 GB of ram
- K61 should be shipping from Japan in a week or 2 to arrive in the US
for late May arrival at retail
- not 1 Korg announcement has been made about 4 GB, nothing

Sure , its an easy upgrade, if you are talking my pc in the bedroom.

Thats not the same as a global co like Korg, with a manufacturing process
and a complex production line and world wide commitments.

You simply cannot stop the train in its tracks
and re-wire the OS and pop in 4 GB. That would have to be done some months back for +1000 units. To do this unplanned would be EXPENSIVE.

If that has been taking place, I would be surprised. A nice surprise , of course, but every day that passes, makes me think 4 GB in every production model is wishful thinking.