Jazzhooves review

[Frans N]

Well, "snazzyplayer", I am a retired journalist, and we are trained to not allow ANY personal opinion cloud a story...

To be blunt, there are plenty of OTHER Yamaha fora for you to expound your personal preferences on, I really do not see the need for you to promulgate any further your obvious Yamaha bias on this Korg forum.

At least most, if not ALL, the members of this forum can admit to the T4 being a great keyboard, it's a shame that you Yamaha folk don't seem to be able to see past your own preferences, and reciprocate. Sadly, in my experience all Yamaha owners can never admit that something might, just MIGHT be better than what they paid out BIG dollars for...

We are done.

Miden, we were just about "done" after your first post.

For a "professional" you sure have a short fuse, and a very poor attitude. It is strange you made it all the way to retirement age; you wouldn't last 10 seconds here in Hollywood with that kind of instant hostility.

Let's sum this up:

I am not a "Yamaha folk" any more than I'm a Korg or Roland folk; I use what works best for my profession.

If the Korg PA3X had come with enough usable sounds and styles out of the box, I'd have one in a minute. But, they stalled this time, and it sounds too much like the PA2X to be useful. I like fresh usable sounds and styles; not rehashed old stuff that began in the PA1X eons ago.

Korg failed in my opinion, and, obviously, you disagree. It's too bad you haven't reached a maturity level that would enable you to have a sensible discussion without resorting to making wild assumptions.

Now we're done.

Pete

If you like fresh sounds why you still use the G-70? And isn't the Roland BK 7m not a GW-8 in a module with a few extras and isn't the Tyros 4 not using the same old AWM (not even AWM2) engine from 25 years ago. Korg is the only brand that use a real synth engine in their arrangers and you can hear that. Well you don't Pete but I and a lot others here do.

[snazzyplayer]

If you like fresh sounds why you still use the G-70? And isn't the Roland BK 7m not a GW-8 in a module with a few extras and isn't the Tyros 4 not using the same old AWM (not even AWM2) engine from 25 years ago. Korg is the only brand that use a real synth engine in their arrangers and you can hear that. Well you don't Pete but I and a lot others here do.

Frans, perhaps you misunderstood?

I bought the Tyros4 for the fresh sounds. SA, SA2, and lots more Cool, Live and Sweet voices, the SA's are also used in the styles.

Big, big difference from Tyros2 and Tyros3.

I don't want a "real synth" engine. I want instant gratification. I want great new sounds at the push of a button.

The PA3X needs a lot of tweaking. If you like tweaking, that's fine; the PA3X is for you.

It ain't for me. It's not immediate enough. And out of the box it sounds too much like PA1 and PA2.

Yes the Tyros is AWM; but it isn't quite the same at all as far as the number and the quality of sounds.

My car has a V-12 engine. It has been made since 10 years. Same block. First version had 300 hp. Mine has over 500 hp, Same V-12 block. Improved every year, different bore, different stroke, better fuel delivery; still a V-12 with the same configuration.

Yamaha? Same AWM, improved every year.

If the basics are good, why change?

The BK-7M is superior to G-70, and the styles are also much better. Hello BK-7m; goodbye G-70.

Hello Tyros4; nice meeting you, PA3X.

I enjoy our discussion Frans; you are a gentleman.

Pete

[Frans N]

Well let's end this discussion because we will never agree

Take Care
Frans

[snazzyplayer]

Well let's end this discussion because we will never agree

Take Care
Frans

Sounds good to me as well.

You take care too,

Pete

[Thoraldus]

Glad that is over.

I guess I'll never understand why anyone who doesn't own a PA3X or doesn't intend to purchase a PA3X would spend time in a PA3X forum. (Unless there is an incentive).

Missionary work?

[snazzyplayer]

Glad that is over.

I guess I'll never understand why anyone who doesn't own a PA3X or doesn't intend to purchase a PA3X would spend time in a PA3X forum. (Unless there is an incentive).

Missionary work?

Me too!

Mr.Thoraldus, there are things in life you and I will never understand. It's best to just chalk it up to experience.[shakes head ruefully].

No missionary work, but my grandfather was an Episcopalian minister in Scotland.


Bless you,

Pete

[MACG]

I am not surprised by the biased review by a reviewer who is heavily involved in commmercial activities with Yamaha products.I am surprised that the review was closed to comments on the Jazzhooves forum-WHY?

[Giner]

I think it's called 'stonewalling', MacG. Not too surprised by that.

[shefu]

I found the Review quite amusing. I don't get why "fanboys" (of any type and calling) are ever allowed to write these sort of articles when they're clearly going to be one sided.

Anyway, I personally find the Tyros 4 extremely over-priced for what it actually does. Basically you're paying for 500 factory styles, good sounding acoustic sounds and the ability to sample & load your own styles/presets. OK how is that ground breaking in any way?

If anything with all the musical advancements in computers, Keyboards should be getting cheaper not more expensive.

[Vex]

You and I are in agreement, Vex, which is why I had to pass on the PA3X; it was too much like the earlier models.

I like having drawbars, which gives you plenty of organ choices, but I also like fresh synth sounds and rejuvenated older sounds, and there just weren't enough to make me happy.

I suppose we could tweak the daylights out of it and come up with our own versions, but, quite frankly, I would have liked to have a nice size bunch of new ones to start with at least.

How do you like the chord sequencer?

I thought it was a very cool addition (I had it on one of my old Roland arrangers) but I think they could have made it less finicky.

Your thoughts?

Pete

I was using chord sequencer 12 years ago on Roland arranger keyboards...was good thing when I practiced solo ...Korg has is it 15 years later ...so I'll find it's purpose in live playing on one way or another