New digital Piano coming on Namm 2012 with Kronos SGX + Ep

vstkeys · Post by **vstkeys** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:26 am

Just clarifying my initial post, korg will release a Digital piano with the two engines + inbuilt speakers, so it is Not a stage piano. Anyway not too long until nxt expo is on.

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:30 am

Bruce, I guess the day is not the important thing, but both messages were labeled "yesterday" in the upper right corner. If I'm wrong just correct me.

I still hope you get the main point.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:35 am

Bruce Lychee wrote:
danatkorg wrote:
Bruce Lychee wrote: Not as bad as that member. I'm not home now but I will definitely post a picture. Ask for ugly and you will get it.

I have yet to hear any Korg rep deny that the RH3 was taken from discontinued Technics boards. If that is the case, it would explain alot.
The RH3 keyboard are manufactured by Korg. They're not taken from discontinued anything.

Ok thank you. Then what is with the lack of consistency in manufacturing?

I'm not aware of any general issues in this regard. If you have specific concerns about your Korg instrument, I encourage you to contact your Korg dealer or the support department of your national Korg Distributor.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:59 am

danatkorg wrote:That would mean cutting out the sampling+synthesis features of the STR-1 and MOD-7 - or at least their ability to use & process large sample libraries from the SSD. You also mention the M1 and Wavestation, both of which are based on samples. The HD-1 is already a superset of the M1 (if you're willing to accept the HD-1's much higher audio quality), and the Wavestation almost so (with the note that the HD-1's Wave Sequencing goes far beyond that of the Wavestation).

Even if you didn't want to use the STR-1, MOD-7, and Wave Sequencing with large sample libraries on an SSD, you'd still need a drive of some sort for the rest of the system, so I'm not sure how much you'd realize in cost savings.

I'm glad that you like the synthesis capabilities of the KRONOS. There are nine engines in there, and I expect that everyone will have different favorites.

Those are good points. I loved the SGX-1 German piano, EPs are great but I have no use for them at all (love the sound, just don't know how to play them as they should sound). CX-3 wasn't my thing at all, I prefer Kurzweil's KB3, and even more GSi VB3 VST plugin above all else. HD-1, perhaps deep, but I wasn't overly impressed by it, personally, just my 2c. There's about 50% of stuff I'd most likely never use (sequencer, for example), but for pure synthesis, those synth engines are awesome. I'd pay to have just the synth engines in one box, without the "extra fat", as I already have a formidabble rompler that I am perfectly satisfied with.

That's just my personal opinion, of course. I wouldn't want to pay for stuff I won't ever use, hence my idea, and my awareness that Korg won't do such a thing for various reasons.

aron · Post by **aron** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:05 am

>My 73 has some slight variation in key spacing.

What is worse is when the lighter plastic keys are narrow compared to the normal key spacing. Roland, Yamaha and others do this. The Kronos 61 doesn't. Thank you Korg!

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:26 am

jimknopf wrote:Bruce, I guess the day is not the important thing, but both messages were labeled "yesterday" in the upper right corner. If I'm wrong just correct me.

I still hope you get the main point.

There is a big difference between same day and many weeks apart. I stand by my opinion of the piano and EPs being fantastic and perhaps the best out there. That being said, I'm sure you can understand why a person might be able to scrutinize an action better after weeks of using it. Your point isn't really made if you are going to gloss over that fact.

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:28 am

danatkorg wrote:
Bruce Lychee wrote:
danatkorg wrote: The RH3 keyboard are manufactured by Korg. They're not taken from discontinued anything.

Ok thank you. Then what is with the lack of consistency in manufacturing?
I'm not aware of any general issues in this regard. If you have specific concerns about your Korg instrument, I encourage you to contact your Korg dealer or the support department of your national Korg Distributor.

Surely you are aware of uneven spacing between keys? Not the worst offender but I'm just confused as to why it is that way.

danatkorg · Post by **danatkorg** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:54 am

Bruce Lychee wrote:
danatkorg wrote:
Bruce Lychee wrote: Ok thank you. Then what is with the lack of consistency in manufacturing?
I'm not aware of any general issues in this regard. If you have specific concerns about your Korg instrument, I encourage you to contact your Korg dealer or the support department of your national Korg Distributor.
Surely you are aware of uneven spacing between keys? Not the worst offender but I'm just confused as to why it is that way.

I'm not aware of any particular issues regarding consistency in manufacturing, as you had asked about above. I can't answer your question about the keyboard myself, but Korg stands by our products. If you have any concerns about your specific instrument, I encourage you to contact your Korg dealer or the support department of your national Korg Distributor.

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:06 am

danatkorg wrote:
Bruce Lychee wrote:
danatkorg wrote: I'm not aware of any general issues in this regard. If you have specific concerns about your Korg instrument, I encourage you to contact your Korg dealer or the support department of your national Korg Distributor.
Surely you are aware of uneven spacing between keys? Not the worst offender but I'm just confused as to why it is that way.
I'm not aware of any particular issues regarding consistency in manufacturing, as you had asked about above. I can't answer your question about the keyboard myself, but Korg stands by our products. If you have any concerns about your specific instrument, I encourage you to contact your Korg dealer or the support department of your national Korg Distributor.

Ok. You are basically saying you aren't aware of consistency issues in manufacturing, but that could mean you are aware that the RH3 is consistently uneven, so I'll leave it at that. Do you see anything wrong with the RH3 below?

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danmusician · Post by **danmusician** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:22 am

[quote="aron"]>My 73 has some slight variation in key spacing.

What is worse is when the lighter plastic keys are narrow compared to the normal key spacing. Roland, Yamaha and others do this. The Kronos 61 doesn't. Thank you Korg![/quote]

Absolutely! (The M3-73 keyboard feels slightly more narrow to me, btw.)

danmusician · Post by **danmusician** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:27 am

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Ok thank you. Then what is with the lack of consistency in manufacturing?[/quote]
I'm not aware of any general issues in this regard. If you have specific concerns about your Korg instrument, I encourage you to contact your Korg dealer or the support department of your national Korg Distributor.[/quote]
Surely you are aware of uneven spacing between keys? Not the worst offender but I'm just confused as to why it is that way.[/quote]
I'm not aware of any particular issues regarding consistency in manufacturing, as you had asked about above. I can't answer your question about the keyboard myself, but Korg stands by our products. If you have any concerns about your specific instrument, I encourage you to contact your Korg dealer or the support department of your national Korg Distributor.[/quote]

Ok. You are basically saying you aren't aware of consistency issues in manufacturing, but that could mean you are aware that the RH3 is consistently uneven, so I'll leave it at that. Do you see anything wrong with the RH3 below?

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Bruce,

Do you honestly feel/notice a difference when you're playing? If you were blindfolded and never saw the keys would you be able to tell?

I would estimate that my variations are less than yours, but noticeable to the eye. I seriously can't tell when I'm playing. I will be curious to check out my s80 when I get to work tomorrow.

If it's a problem for you, I'm guessing you need a different instrument...

Bruce Lychee · Post by **Bruce Lychee** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:46 am

Dan,

Not an issue with playing. I have stated that before. I can adapt to whatever action is available. Nevertheless, functionality doesn't have to come at the expense of some basic manufacturing standards, especially in a keyboard costing more than a few thousand dollars.

I guess people are ok with these things, but I just don't see the reason for it. I was an executive in electronics manufacturing for many years and when I see things like this and cardboard inserts, I don't see much of a justifiable excuse for it.

I'm sure it won't hinder people from enjoying the Kronos, but if this is what Korg stands by as a shining example of their manufacturing abilities, I urge them to set the bar a little higher.

aron · Post by **aron** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:49 am

I checked my weighted keyboards here. They are uneven in terms of height. I have no idea if it's my pounding or what.... or changes over time.
My Yamaha has spacing problems, but it's the flawed P80 keyboard. The old Fatar I have has pretty even spacing but not good height differences.

aron · Post by **aron** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:52 am

It will be interesting for me to check the S90ES I have. I honestly don't let things like this bother me. I play the instrument and make music and don't really allow these things to bother me, but if it affects my playing, I am all over it.

That being said, I understand that others are more sensitive to these issues.

synthguy · Post by **synthguy** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:53 am

My brother married a Japanese woman who's classically trained on piano. She prefers a fine grand but can adapt to almost anything.

My bro and I drag her to Guitar Center on occasion and get her to play. Thinking I'd like to get her a digital piano one day, I asked her - without telling the reason - to play a number of the piano weighted instruments there, starting with the digital grands. GC didn't have some of the pricey Clavinovas, but they had a great selection of everything else, and a variety of brands. She was rather disappointed. I walked her over to the pro section, beginning with the Motif XF8. She said it was the same as the other Clavinovas, and thought it was odd that she has a Yamaha baby grand herself back in Japan, but all these actions were a little off somehow. After playing around on just about everything, the actions she said were the best were

the M50-88 and M3-88.

I guess when it comes to opinions, all you can say is there sure are a lot of them and they're all different.