New Kronos KRS-02 Str-1/Mod7 Phase II Sounds for the OASYS?

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:46 pm

TonyGen wrote:I am confused as to why any person who doesn't own an Oasys would bother commenting on these threads and continually telling Oasys owners how they should be thinking...

I never told anyone how to think. I offered my opinion on the situation, much of which is based on Korg's reps comments since it was released. And the last I checked, this is an open forum and anyone can comment on anything as long as they are respectful and keep things on topic.

I have been a long time Korg user since the early 80's and am fully aware of the functionality, costs, support, etc. of the OASYS. I do play one, I currently don't own one. I even service OASYS' from time to time (last one is below).

I'm also still considering picking up an O76 and selling off every other piece of gear that I have except the Kronos.

-Mc

TonyGen · Post by **TonyGen** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:51 pm

McHale wrote:
TonyGen wrote:I am confused as to why any person who doesn't own an Oasys would bother commenting on these threads and continually telling Oasys owners how they should be thinking...
I never told anyone how to think. I offered my opinion on the situation, much of which is based on Korg's reps comments since it was released. And the last I checked, this is an open forum and anyone can comment on anything as long as they are respectful and keep things on topic.

I have been a long time Korg user since the early 80's and am fully aware of the functionality, costs, support, etc. of the OASYS. I do play one, I currently don't own one. I even service OASYS' from time to time (last one is below).

I'm also still considering picking up an O76 and selling off every other piece of gear that I have except the Kronos.

-Mc

Still not sure why you continually add your opinion on Oasys owners' thoughts about Korg.com. Why are you even bothered ? Unless you have actually forked out a King's ransom for an Oasys how can you possibly comment on an equal basis ?

Maybe I should go on to the Kronos forum and discuss how poorly made the Kronos is and how it doesn't sound as good as the real thing....

Dany's post was spot on. No reason at all why Korg can't make new stuff for Oasys - (the OS must be very similar) unless it's to try and coerce us into buying a Kronos. To be honest I'd be happy to pay for additional stuff that Kronos owners have to pay for....or at least have the opportunity.

Korg most probably won't and I can live with that. As I have said before, Oasys plus oodles of amazing software is plenty enough to keep me entertained.

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:26 pm

TonyGen wrote:No reason at all why Korg can't make new stuff for Oasys.

Sure there is. NOTHING is free. ANY work on the OASYS costs them either in labor or additional R&D. Every moment they spend on the OASYS is at a loss of profit. Korg is a business, not a charity. All I have seen from OASYS users is, "KORG NEEDS TO GIVE US THIS UPGRADE FOR FREE TO MAKE US HAPPY." Korg gave all the expansions for free and people are STILL complaining. Now they're saying, "GIVE US ALL THE KRONOS UPGRADES FOR FREE" not even realizing that it's not technically possible.

Now if I would continually read, "KORG, keep developing for the OASYS and we'll gladly pay for upgrades" it'd be a little different. But I'm betting Korg already looked at how much they made (or lost) on the Expansions and decided it wasn't cost effective to continually develop for it. Like it or not, Korg is a business and they are operating in a tough economy. It's just a simple fact of life.

If you want to join in the discussions in the Kronos area, you are certainly welcome to. But don't be surprised if people think you're crazy because you feel the OASYS sounds better than the KRONOS. It's a soft synth running on a PC using the same output hardware. But if you truly feel that the OASYS is better than the KRONOS and it sounds better than the KRONOS, there should be no reason to complain about the cost. That must be why the OASYS costs more than the KRONOS - they went cheap on the sound quality of the KRONOS.

-Mc

TonyGen · Post by **TonyGen** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:55 pm

McHale wrote:
TonyGen wrote:No reason at all why Korg can't make new stuff for Oasys.
Sure there is. NOTHING is free. ANY work on the OASYS costs them either in labor or additional R&D. Every moment they spend on the OASYS is at a loss of profit. Korg is a business, not a charity. All I have seen from OASYS users is, "KORG NEEDS TO GIVE US THIS UPGRADE FOR FREE TO MAKE US HAPPY." Korg gave all the expansions for free and people are STILL complaining. Now they're saying, "GIVE US ALL THE KRONOS UPGRADES FOR FREE" not even realizing that it's not technically possible.

Now if I would continually read, "KORG, keep developing for the OASYS and we'll gladly pay for upgrades" it'd be a little different. But I'm betting Korg already looked at how much they made (or lost) on the Expansions and decided it wasn't cost effective to continually develop for it. Like it or not, Korg is a business and they are operating in a tough economy. It's just a simple fact of life.

If you want to join in the discussions in the Kronos area, you are certainly welcome to. But don't be surprised if people think you're crazy because you feel the OASYS sounds better than the KRONOS. It's a soft synth running on a PC using the same output hardware. But if you truly feel that the OASYS is better than the KRONOS and it sounds better than the KRONOS, there should be no reason to complain about the cost. That must be why the OASYS costs more than the KRONOS - they went cheap on the sound quality of the KRONOS.

-Mc

As I keep saying, I don't know why it bothers you so much. If I had a new Kronos I would be playing it all the time (unless the poor build quality had caused it to fall apart or I didn't like the lower sound quality) rather than lurking in Oasys threads to argue Korg.com's case for Korg.com against Oasys owners who've spent a load of money and feel differently

Anyway, whatever floats your boat

BTW, my first Korg was a MiniKorg 700 bought in 1974. My last ever Korg was a Korg Oasys bought in 2007. I have loved all my Korg synths (well apart from a Poly 61 which was a bit limited). But I reserve the right to feel short changed by Korg's treatment of Oasys owners....er, despite what non Oasys owners may think.

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:03 pm

TonyGen wrote:But I reserve the right to feel short changed by Korg's treatment of Oasys owners....er, despite what non Oasys owners may think.

Why do you feel short changed? The OASYS today is far better than what they originally released or even promised. It received support twice as long as any previous (and futrue) workstation. They made all of the sound engines available for free as a "peace pipe" to those who were upset.

Does anyone buy a PC and 6 or 7 years later go on a rampage because the company released a new and better PC at a lesser price? That's just insane. And PC companies release newer, better, and cheaper PC's all the time.

Seriously, why do you feel short changed? Does it not do today what it did when it was new? The OASYS does have features that I wish the KRONOS had but that's life I guess. As I see it, the only significant differences between the OASYS and KRONOS are the two new piano engines. Since the OASYS can't stream samples, it's a hardware limitation.

I seriously do not understand the animosity towards Korg, the KRONOS, or KRONOS owners. The OASYS came out in 2005. How long did you think the OASYS would receive updates and support?

As far as build quality and sound quality go, you're just wrong. Pure and simple, you're wrong on both. Saying the KRONOS sucks won't make your OASYS worth any more money...

TonyGen · Post by **TonyGen** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:24 am

Will someone tell McHale that I'm joking about the Kronos.......

McHale, I'll discuss my feelings about Korg.com in even greater depth with you when you've bought an Oasys at the full retail price. No discounts allowed remember...!

Now go and have a quick play with your awful sounding Kronos before it falls to pieces.....

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:48 am

TonyGen wrote:McHale, I'll discuss my feelings about Korg.com in even greater depth with you when you've bought an Oasys at the full retail price. No discounts allowed remember...!

Now that is hilarious. You can't logically discuss WHY you're upset or even able to defend the point that YOU made so you're refusing to discuss it? This is what I've been seeing from many OASYS owners since the KRONOS was announced. It's called jealousy and it's similar to when a child discovers that they're no longer going to be the only child any longer.

We can now close this thread.

Synergy · Post by **Synergy** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:15 am

McHale wrote: This is what I've been seeing from many OASYS owners since the KRONOS was announced. It's called jealousy and it's similar to when a child discovers that they're no longer going to be the only child any longer.
We can now close this thread.

The problem is that the other child overthrows his own father and devours his own children. One of the surviving child eventually gets retribution on his own dad on behalf of his siblings.

TonyGen · Post by **TonyGen** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:08 am

McHale wrote:
TonyGen wrote:McHale, I'll discuss my feelings about Korg.com in even greater depth with you when you've bought an Oasys at the full retail price. No discounts allowed remember...!
Now that is hilarious. You can't logically discuss WHY you're upset or even able to defend the point that YOU made so you're refusing to discuss it? This is what I've been seeing from many OASYS owners since the KRONOS was announced. It's called jealousy and it's similar to when a child discovers that they're no longer going to be the only child any longer.

We can now close this thread.

Didn't know you had become a moderator. Anyway, you have decided we can now close this thread so you won't be back.........

McHale you are so far away from understanding the point it's almost like you don't understand English. I stated quite clearly and a long time ago that I was upset about Oasys support being stopped way, way, way before Kronos hit the news stands. I'm not prepared to go back and keep re-telling my feelings to Kronos gloaters trolling Oasys threads who should have no real interest in why Oasys owners who paid out a shed load of money might feel let-down and aggrieved. This set of circumstances has not happened to you so your opinion on this set of circumstances is ergo irrelevant.

Absolutely nothing to do with Kronos, which is, no doubt, a superb keyboard and when the second hand values have dropped in a few years I will very probably buy one. I will not buy new from Korg ever again.

If you can't understand that you need to sign up for a course in English.

...........except you decided that we could close the thread so you probably didn't even read what I said

Rocness · Post by **Rocness** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:36 pm

McHale wrote: This is what I've been seeing from many OASYS owners since the KRONOS was announced. It's called jealousy and it's similar to when a child discovers that they're no longer going to be the only child any longer.

We can now close this thread.

well according to your statement here , you sound like the jealous one ...

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... ht=#367503

McHale wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to call all OASYS users out as ingrates or idiots or jerks or anything. The OASYS is one of the greatest synths Korg has ever made. The KRONOS is just a repackaged OASYS. If I owned an OASYS, the KRONOS wouldn't really interest me. And to be quite honest, the OASYS looks pretty awesome with all the illuminated sliders and faders and what not. But I see your point about the "future proof" claim. I'm sure it's all about dollars and cents. It wasn't a huge seller and perhaps they lost money on it. And if the expansions didn't sell well enough to make their R&D money back, I'm sure they wouldn't continue to develop them.

According to your statement above the Oasys is one of the greatest synths Korg has ever made and the Kronos is just a repackaged Oasys and that if you owned an Oasys the Kronos wouldn't really interest you.
You also said "I see your point about the "future proof" claim " which in case you forgot is what this thread is all about .

So let me get this straight .
Now a few mounts latter you get a Kronos , you don't understand why Oasys owners are asking for updates and now you say Oasys owners are the ones who are jealous .

Sir, you are a HYPOCRITE

and you are obviously trolling so please leave the Oasys forum with your fanboy statements .

The truth is , you alway admired and adored the Oasys
"with all the illuminated sliders and faders and what not " but you could never afford one . Now with the kronos out , instead of making music with it , you use it as a tool to bash all those who have been enjoying it while you had to settle for a M3 and M50 and now a Kronos .

On behalf of all Oasys owners, don't hate us because it's beautiful .

Now go away , HYPOCRITE

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:03 pm

Rocness wrote:Sir, you are a HYPOCRITE

You sir, must not understand the definition to the word HYPOCRITE nor did you fully comprehend any of the statements I made.

Are you capable of discussing this topic without name calling and avoiding the talking points? You do realize the point of a forum is to discuss topics and get varying insight and opinions from others, right? You're not upset that I have my own opinion, you're upset that I don't agree with your opinion.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why they are upset that the OASYS is losing it's value. If it's the best sounding, most well built synth EVER, who cares what it's worth on the used market if you never plan on selling it? Or are you just upset because not everyone believes your OASYS is worth what you paid for it?

-Mc

Rocness · Post by **Rocness** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:09 pm

McHale wrote:
Rocness wrote:Sir, you are a HYPOCRITE
You sir, must not understand the definition to the word HYPOCRITE nor did you fully comprehend any of the statements I made.

-Mc

Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, ideals, thoughts, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have.[1] Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie[1].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocrates

Ok , now that , that's out of the way ,here's what you said before you got a Kronos

McHale wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to call all OASYS users out as ingrates or idiots or jerks or anything. The OASYS is one of the greatest synths Korg has ever made. The KRONOS is just a repackaged OASYS. If I owned an OASYS, the KRONOS wouldn't really interest me. And to be quite honest, the OASYS looks pretty awesome with all the illuminated sliders and faders and what not. But I see your point about the "future proof" claim. I'm sure it's all about dollars and cents.

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... ht=#367503

And now here's what you say after you got a Kronos

McHale wrote: Now that is hilarious. You can't logically discuss WHY you're upset or even able to defend the point that YOU made so you're refusing to discuss it? This is what I've been seeing from many OASYS owners since the KRONOS was announced. It's called jealousy and it's similar to when a child discovers that they're no longer going to be the only child any longer.

We can now close this thread.

based on your two statements above, we can clearly see your Hypocrisy in black and white .
Your busted and you've been exposed .

Case closed .

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:30 pm

Rocness wrote:based on your two statements above, we can clearly see your Hypocrisy in black and white .

You didn't do well in school did you?

Let's analyze my points:

1. OASYS is one of Korg's best synths
2. KRONOS is based off the OASYS and has been updated, thus making it arguably THE best.

are you with me so far?

3. If I had an OASYS, I (personally) would not see the need to upgrade for whatever reasons I have. Some who have an OASYS *DID* upgrade.
4. The OASYS has pretty blinky lights
5. I understand that some people believe that the OASYS would be supported for ever and ever and ever and... but I don't agree with this sentiment because KORG is a business, not a charity put on this earth to keep you happy at any cost.
6. Korg has supported the OASYS for more than twice as long as they support other workstations.
7. If OASYS owners aren't buying upgrades, they won't make upgrades.

PLEASE point out the hypocrisy in the above statements. I'm dying to know.

And jeesh... settle down, will ya? Let's try to have a calm rational discussion here.

AnthonyB · Post by **AnthonyB** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:16 am

McHale
The OASYS has pretty blinky lights

McHale
The KRONOS is just a repackaged OASYS. If I owned an OASYS, the KRONOS wouldn't really interest me. And to be quite honest, the OASYS looks pretty awesome with all the illuminated sliders and faders

so McHale, what is it??, awesome Sliders and illuminated lights...or... "pretty blinky lights"?

McHale · Post by **McHale** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:26 am

AnthonyB wrote:so McHale, what is it??, awesome Sliders and illuminated lights...or... "pretty blinky lights"?

Same thing.

Disney's Electric Light Parade - both descriptions work (minus the sliders of course).

I imagine people want to argue semantics because they are unable to discuss the fact that nearly everybody realizes that the OASYS lived a full life and it's time to move on. The KRONOS is here, costs less, does more, and is under warranty - minus the blinky lights. Live with it.

It's just a keyboard. It's funny to see how upset people are over it. More people have much larger problems in life. If this is the biggest concern in your life, congrats. You have a very blessed life.