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There was a lot of work involved and that's why it was nearly $500 when it had OASYS Library written on it. I think that's fair for the effort involved and the quality of the end product, which yes, I did tweak (only slightly - but didn't do anything with the samples).

The Karo product is good but it will be interesting to see what the pricing is for the Kronos.

Thank you Hedegaard for seeing my point!

My point is that I don't believe that Karo will have re-visited the Mannheim and re-sampled it for the Kronos. That doesn't make sense. But their advertising on the website says they sampled it specifically for the Kronos.

I take Sharp's point that they more than likely have taken the original DAT tapes and then re-configured (whatever the word is!) them for the Kronos. Absolutely nothing wrong with that - but don't make out like the library never existed before the Kronos came along!

I hope that Karo will edit their marketing to honestly reflect how the Kronos libraries came about - there is no shame to them being created for the OASYS originally... or is there.... ???

Why can't they write:

"We have taken our best-selling, outstanding (please see customer comments below) KSL, sampling the Mannheim Orchestra in all its glory, captured originally for Korg's OASYS. We have re-visited the KSL libraries and configured them to make the best use of the extra capabilities of Korg's new flagship, the Kronos."

And then remove the OASYS libraries from their website as they no longer sell them.

But to make sure there's no doubt where I stand, like Irish Acts' ASSAULT, the Karo libraries are worth the money.

Cello, i don't know. But what i know is that kronos can handle twice more velocity sample. So maybe karo had to resample again the orchestra. Future will tell.

Well, technically, adding articulations and sample length and velocity levels from the same capture session really IS a "new library made for the Kronos".

That's typical MO...you sample more than you could ever use for whatever current platform so you don't have to have another session with different people later when tech allows longer/more samples.

This part of the debate concerning future Karo libraries is completely vain.
It's all guessing without ever having exchanged a word with Karo.
And there are many possibilities in between sampling from scratch and using samples from earlier sessions in a new manner (possible new velocities, diskstreaming allowing bigger libraries, reworking of sample adjustments in the patch structure etc.).

I'm interested in Karo's Virtual Analog library and asked him if this was more or less identical to the Oasys library some days ago. Karo's answer was a clear "No": all former Oasys libraries have been substantially reworked according to his words.

I don't see why anyone being suspicious or even upset, talking of misleading advertising (or worse) here in the forum, can't ask Karo directly to be sure. Critical questions are ok, but they should be used to clarify, not just to be suspicious and leave it at that.

Or they can post here and let us all know for sure!

Kurt and Oliver both have accounts @ KF.

In the meantime, I've now heard from 4 Mannheim friends via Facebook and they are unanimous; but I'm waiting for another 4 to reply.

You seriously expect Karo to read and answer your quite agressive questions here, instead of sending him a simple email with what you want to know???
Or you even ask 4 Mannheim friends instead of emailing the only competent one to answer???
Sorry, but that's all beyond my understanding.

As I said, the questions are ok, but the way they are asked without adressing the man who becomes target here(!), is not ok at all from my view.

No I don't expect them to answer because I believe they will be under contract not answer.

I could/may be wrong - probably am; but hey, won't be the first tim I'm wrong!

Am not sure why you want me to get answers privately to Karo's let's say 'contradictory' public messaging.

I am a Korg user, a Karo customer and this is the Korg forum which represents a community Karo aims to target through the sales of its product.

I'd say that copying and pasting an OASYS marketing text to a Kronos marketing text is not exactly the best way for Karo to endear itself to a new target market.

I'm not the one that has to justify anything - Karo, however, does. They stated clearly that they sampled the Mannheim by the Kronos for the Kronos.

So let them come here and confirm that they did EXACTLY that.

I don't have anything to prove other than to justify an opinion I have formed based on the texts they have published.

My main interest, if I face some from my view inconsistent or questionable advertising, would simply be
a) get things straight - easily done by asking the author for facts
b) give the author a hint at what I perceive as inconsistent - dito

This whole thing is not about justification, neither Karo's, nor yours IMO.
It's about
a) new library facts
b) appropriate advertising.

So what the heck are you after?
And why aren't you interested in a fast and simple solution???

I, for one, don't care about the "facts"...i want to know what it sound like and how it's used (ie articulation switching via vector stick or cc or what).

I would be thrilled to have great, playable, strings in the Kronos. Right now, it NO competition for the east west, lass, and vsl on the computer. It's maybe on par with my Roland srx card.

To someone who mentioned needing reverb...thing is, big and drippy are easy. The challenge in string sampling, IMO, are smaller sections recorded with closer MICS. Take a once coveted kurzweil orchestral board and play Elenor Rigby. Sounds stupid. That's why I've invested what I have in software. Vsl's chamber and solo string can pull that off. That is the gold standard for me. I just want it more playable. Hardware with good programming should be capable of narrowing that gap.

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It isn't that important to me where they came from. However, Cello has a great perspective. OTOH, if only about 3000 folks(people)(dudes and dudettes) have Oasys' and maybe half it that have the Karo library, the sounds are functionally "new" to the rest of us. Not to Cello or Mike Conway as they are putting those sounds to good use, but Oasys owners as myself who never had the opportunity to purchase them.

I am excited about the Karo sounds for the Kronos. BTW, I have to give Mike Conway some kudos as he provided a solution for a problem I had with my Oasys. I appreciate that.