What has happened to this world???!!!

csteen · Post by **csteen** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:37 am

Can't you guys just give it up, Yes it was a mod who brought it up but it was also a mod who put it to rest thankfully, Maybe you should all do the same/ It is hardly fair to keep it up after some of us have been warned already. Leave your polotics at home thank you very much. It does not belong here and I am pretty sure you were already warned.

Ojustaboo · Post by **Ojustaboo** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:58 am

I like the way you have given your opinion but object to me giving mine.

As I said in my post edit, I hadn't read the entire thread when I replied hence didn't know we weren't supposed to be discussing it.

And my answer to dictatorships wasn't really political in that I'm not giving propaganda to one party over another, it was simply something I have observed over the past few years and has nothing to do with any political party.

Anyway, if the mods object, they are free to delete my posts, I don't mind

From UK comedy the thin blue line

CID: it is your job to vet the applications, your supposed to ask questions to find out who is a suitable person to own a gun.

Inspector: That's right and surely the first question must be "does that person wish to own a gun"

CID: Well of course

Inspector: And if the answer to that question is yes, clearly the person isn't a suitable person to have one

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:43 am

I agree with you completely but this is actually the problem with us Westerners...
you see...the first thing here is ... NO YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS!!!
HELL I CAN!!! Aren't we a Democracy? Am i disrespecting anyone? NO!!!
Untill we stop being fake the way we are, there will be no solutions to anything.
Everything we see, eat, smell, understand, read, watch, hear is FAKE!!!
Its like living in a world with no Reality in it.

csteen · Post by **csteen** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:15 am

Nice cop out boo. But the word has come down now knock it off and play nice or go away please. If I am not allowed to speak on this subject neither are you and I was not the one who even brought the darned topic up. Please have a bit of respect and do the same as the rest of us are trying to do here and get along alright. You could have edited your post but chose not to against what was asked of you.
This is a tragic thing that has happened. So let's agree to disagree and Leave all of that CRAP aside like we were asked.
And for the record I would not mind seeing the whole thread disappear given what it has become I do agree with that.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:24 am

I guess i agree this post to be deleted too even though i fail to understand
what is wrong or disrespectful in this post.

Ojustaboo · Post by **Ojustaboo** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:39 am

csteen wrote:Nice cop out boo. But the word has come down now knock it off and play nice or go away please. If I am not allowed to speak on this subject neither are you and I was not the one who even brought the darned topic up. Please have a bit of respect and do the same as the rest of us are trying to do here and get along alright. You could have edited your post but chose not to against what was asked of you.
This is a tragic thing that has happened. So let's agree to disagree and Leave all of that CRAP aside like we were asked.
And for the record I would not mind seeing the whole thread disappear given what it has become I do agree with that.

No, you were asked to stop arguing about gun law. I wasn't arguing about it, I was giving an opinion about what I have noticed here in the UK, in that every time someone has gone mad with a gun, its always a legally held one, not a criminal whose obtained one by dodgy means, and that some of the guns I see held in people's homes in the US, a three year old could for example tell you that you don't need an ar15 assault rifle in case a robber breaks into your home.

That has nothing to do with my views on whether people should be allowed to carry guns in the US

You too could go back and edit and remove the contents of your posts if you so wish. I typed it out in good faith, after reading what pepperpotty said, I reread my post, added the edit note as it wasn't really about what you and others were climbing out of your prams about.

Maybe if you spoke more politely and civily I might have more respect for you, (and maybe if you had been politer in your earlier posts in this thread you wouldn't have been asked to stop talking about gun laws in the first place) but the tone of your posts leave a lot to be desired in my opinion. It is you that keeps antagonising me into a response, had you not responded to my posts, my first comment on what I think of on guns would have been my last.

I have been thinking about this, I grew up in a country where its hard to own a gun legally. In my youth I witnessed many a night where groups of men lost their tempers with one another. Usually unless someone was extremely unlucky, the worst that ended up happening was a black eye or a broken nose.

At present its sadly getting common for the youth to carry knives in the UK. Usually they say its because they feel scared incase they are attacked etc.

What is the result? When I was young we had broken bones (yes there was the odd stabbing but it was very very very rare). Now stabbings are fairly common place due to people loosing their tempers while carrying knives.

I know that what I saw when I was young, had those men had knives on them, people would have been stabbed and killed, again all that happened was broken bones.

Then I imagine what the likely outcome would have been if they had had guns, even it meant going home to get one.

And usually the fights started over the most trivial of things.

csteen · Post by **csteen** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:31 pm

Mods please remove the thread, I have done what was asked of me and it is really not fair to be the only one that has to go by rules simply because I have a different opinion. And Boo, You are free to respect whom ever you choose here the way I see it. Just leave me out of it.

djcactus · Post by **djcactus** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:31 am

its tragic, though gun laws could make a difference. At Virginia tech that guy was using huge magazines. I mean if a 20 round magazine exists what in gods green earth is its purpose? More so it would be difficult to collect these things and weapons but at least maybe a more rigorous background check seeing as many dont even need one for long arms?

Its really tough to say what could be done with legislation without losing site on what matters, peoples safety.

csteen · Post by **csteen** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:25 pm

And away we go again.

axxim · Post by **axxim** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:11 pm

I think this discussion has turned to an aberrated "pro" and "con" against firearms and is slightly scratching the forum rules.

Personally I think that every one who likes or wants to have a firearm should consider seriously what he expects from them and how he would feel if someone with similar preferences (for whatever reason) uses them against his children or relatives!

I heard a good advice from someone long ago who said: "If you get a firearm, then you also have to be ready to use it!" I think that the consequences of such an "readiness" shuld be clear to everyone.

At last I second the petition of csteen to lock or better remove this thread which absolutely has nothing to do with "News" related to this forum!

csteen · Post by **csteen** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:35 pm

axxim wrote:I think this discussion has turned to an aberrated "pro" and "con" against firearms and is slightly scratching the forum rules.

Personally I think that every one who likes or wants to have a firearm should consider seriously what he expects from them and how he would feel if someone with similar preferences (for whatever reason) uses them against his children or relatives!

I heard a good advice from someone long ago who said: "If you get a firearm, then you also have to be ready to use it!" I think that the consequences of such an "readiness" shuld be clear to everyone.

At last I second the petition of csteen to lock or better remove this thread which absolutely has nothing to do with "News" related to this forum!

That is just it, No one with similar preference to mine or those like me would ever use them against my children or anyone else for that matter unless in self defence.
People like this killer from Conneticut have show that there are those who would not think twice about harming them if they are not protected unfortunately.
And of course I agree with a removal of the thread being a very good idea. For that matter the original poster has even mentioned the same.
I have contacted the administrator requesting the same but no reponce so far. It is a busy season and people have lot's to do.

Comrad_Durandal · Post by **Comrad_Durandal** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:49 pm

csteen wrote:
axxim wrote:I think this discussion has turned to an aberrated "pro" and "con" against firearms and is slightly scratching the forum rules.

Personally I think that every one who likes or wants to have a firearm should consider seriously what he expects from them and how he would feel if someone with similar preferences (for whatever reason) uses them against his children or relatives!

I heard a good advice from someone long ago who said: "If you get a firearm, then you also have to be ready to use it!" I think that the consequences of such an "readiness" shuld be clear to everyone.

At last I second the petition of csteen to lock or better remove this thread which absolutely has nothing to do with "News" related to this forum!
That is just it, No one with similar preference to mine or those like me would ever use them against my children or anyone else for that matter unless in self defence.
People like this killer from Conneticut have show that there are those who would not think twice about harming them if they are not protected unfortunately.
And of course I agree with a removal of the thread being a very good idea. For that matter the original poster has even mentioned the same.
I have contacted the administrator requesting the same but no reponce so far. It is a busy season and people have lot's to do.

I have brought the thread to the attention of a moderator as well - it can only lead to trouble

Post by **Sharp** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:59 pm

I have contacted the administrator requesting the same but no reponce so far.

I'm here and reading what's being posted. I didn't take any action yet because I'm undecided about this. The only forum rule this thread is twisting at is the one where Politics is a banned topic of discussion on the forum. I haven't made up my mind yet if this rule is been broken or people are just sharing a general view.

Still giving this more thought and reading over the thread again......

Regards
Sharp.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:15 pm

Keep in mind that most of the comments were made at the same day and
people were still in shock and tried to express something out of them.
I don't think anyone crossed any line in here except the politics part but in
reality it has nothing to do with politics, its mostly about human life.
Some people might be too sensitive or care more about what their Party
says but this is a lot more then that, i don't think anyone was disrespected.

Saxifraga · Post by **Saxifraga** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:40 am

BasariStudios wrote:Might be controversial to say this and i know some people will go against me
but i call this the Fruit of the double edged sword called Western Democracy.
I still believe people should be under dictatorship. Humans are too stupid and
out of control to govern them selves under Democracy. And when someone
does this under the Democratic Law you send those people to vacation with
Gym, Pool, Tv and Food...no, you hang them in the Middle of the town.

What has a form of creating a government to do with a single sick individual?
A dictatorship is only good as long as "you" are the dictator or someone you like. What about a dictator who hates music like Taliban?
Reading such ludicrous crap makes me cringe.
Nedim you are in dire need of some political education.

Here in Germany you would be regarded as veerrryyyy right wing.