A new Workhaus for a Music Production?

[BobTheDog]

Every Apple computer I have ever bought we still own and is still running, this goes all the way back to an Apple II.

In all those years I have only had one problem and that was a noisy fan in a MacPro.

During this time I have gone through loads of Windows PCs/Workstations, I have kept none of the old ones and many went wrong in various ways. Actually I still have one, an early Dell running SCO Unix which I kept for sentimental reasons. This was from when Dell made machines that went on forever.

The only other machines that I have that kept going are my SGI workstations, I kept them as well

So from my experience Apple machines last pretty well.

[Ojustaboo]

Ehhh ... Nothing new here. The Cray 1 Super Computer circa 1976 was round too and it even doubled as furniture. And yes, it's surrounded by a padded, circular seat.

I remember the Cray 1, most of that seat took up the cooling system I think, plus numerous compressors out on the roof.

Edit, just seen next post by Beemer, ours had the compressors on the roof.

Was also taken down for a mornings maintenance once (or was it twice) a week, and they had a heat camera that they would inspect the boards with to check none of them overheated (was great fun looking at women through it )

We were an oil exploration company but Cray still had their own office with a huge cray maintenance console thing in it and two staff permanently on site.

I also remember a program on the Cray where we put tapes on the 6 tape drives and they would spin at certain speeds playing a tune as they did so, the tune played by the noise of the motors (someone had far too much time lol)

I also remember a job running for about 30 hrs on our Cray 1, me being at the terminals, a bit bored, snooping around the system and I found a command called "debug"

being an inquisitive 22 year old, i typed it in to see what would happen, and it started it's shutdown procedure to go into debug mode.

i tried every thing I could think of to stop it, alas I ended up getting a severe telling off as it crashed

Turned out if I'd have typed something like "bugoff" it would have stopped it and I would have been fine.

Those were the days.

[Ojustaboo]

Every Apple computer I have ever bought we still own and is still running, this goes all the way back to an Apple II.

In all those years I have only had one problem and that was a noisy fan in a MacPro.

During this time I have gone through loads of Windows PCs/Workstations, I have kept none of the old ones and many went wrong in various ways. Actually I still have one, an early Dell running SCO Unix which I kept for sentimental reasons. This was from when Dell made machines that went on forever.

The only other machines that I have that kept going are my SGI workstations, I kept them as well

So from my experience Apple machines last pretty well.

I'm not a fan of anything, I like MS, Apple, Unix/Linux etc.

I have bought a LOT of windows PC's over the years since DOS days, all self built except for my very first one.

I haven't had one fatally die on me ever (graphics cards aside read on) and I use them constantly.

I have had to replace a couple of HDs as they got suspicious, never had one stop working yet.

I have had to get a couple of high spec graphics cards replaced in their 10 year warranty period as they have gone wrong, (garbage all over the screen) and my current EVGA 4GB GTX 670 makes a suspicious high pitched (sounds like capacitors) noise when certain colours are mainly displayed on the screen although its working fine.

I have made posts about upgrading due to my motherboard dying, it wasn't that I couldn't boot it and use it, it was more intermittent problems (drives not found at boot, requiring power cable removed for 5 mins etc) that started to become a pain hence I used it as an excuse to upgrade.


My point being, I have spent a fortune on PC's over the years, but every time I have it's been because I really wanted to upgrade, not because my old one ever stopped working, the only exceptions being my graphics cards which for some reason never seem to last.

And I have an Antec 1200 case with 3 fans inputting at the front a huge fan on the top, two fans extracting from the back and an air vent in the side

http://store.antec.com/Product/enclosur ... 120-7.aspx

and a huge Thermalright Archon SB-E X2 Quiet CPU Fan (well 2 fans)

http://www.thermalright.com/html/produc ... -e_x2.html

It's not due to my system overheating, it runs very cool but I never have much luck with graphics cards. I don't over clock them either.

[Timo]

Custom built my own PC system about six years ago, based on a quad-2.7GHz, with XP32, Vista64 and now Win8.1.

Clocked up 25,000 hours of use. How many OS crashes? Zero! Never even had to restore/refresh the system either. It just takes whatever I throw at it, and I push it hard. It's an amazing little workhaus (sic).

With a considered hardware configuration, Windows is rock solid, and the flexibility is unrivalled.

[BobTheDog]

Every Apple computer I have ever bought we still own and is still running, this goes all the way back to an Apple II.

In all those years I have only had one problem and that was a noisy fan in a MacPro.

During this time I have gone through loads of Windows PCs/Workstations, I have kept none of the old ones and many went wrong in various ways. Actually I still have one, an early Dell running SCO Unix which I kept for sentimental reasons. This was from when Dell made machines that went on forever.

The only other machines that I have that kept going are my SGI workstations, I kept them as well

So from my experience Apple machines last pretty well.

I'm not a fan of anything, I like MS, Apple, Unix/Linux etc.

Oh you have to be a fan of things, favourite keyboard, favourite guitar, favourite wife etc.

I'm a big fan of the SGI Altix 3700 BX2 http://www.sgi.com/pdfs/3709.pdf from when I used to work on them, best computer I have ever developed on. Shared memory across cluster nodes, not like this distributed crap you get nowadays. They were used in the NASA Columbia super computer which was pretty quick for it's time, second fastest in the world.

We used to have a single 512 processor one at work which was about 3 TFlops I think, ah memories.

[BobTheDog]

Custom built my own PC system about six years ago, based on a quad-2.7GHz, with XP32, Vista64 and now Win8.1.

Clocked up 25,000 hours of use. How many OS crashes? Zero! Never even had to restore/refresh the system either. It just takes whatever I throw at it, and I push it hard. It's an amazing little workhaus (sic).

With a considered hardware configuration, Windows is rock solid, and the flexibility is unrivalled.

All operating systems are rock solid as long as the setup is good. Reliable drivers for hardware and the minimum of software to get a particular job done.

I spend a lot of time sorting out family and friends windows machines though as they install all kinds of crap on them which causes problems, also every cyber criminal in the world targets windows machines.

Family members that I have given macs to though do not cause me this problem.

[Ojustaboo]

Part of the problem with windows pcs are the huge range of components ranging from very very good to very very crap.

A self built machine with good quality components and none of the crappy software the famous names feel obliged to include on their prebuilt offerings, its got as much chance of lasting as long as any mac does.

Usually the type of person who can afford a mac or a expensive good quality PC, is a different type of user to the many freinds cheap pc/laptops i'm forever sorting out, and tbey tend to be more careful of going to dodgy sites or opening attachments.

[MoonMusic]

Family members that I have given macs to though do not cause me this problem.

That's because there is hardly anything available to install on them...jk ......That used to be the comeback I'd tell my high school music teacher back in the late 80's early 90's (when it was true)....And the reason they don't get many viruses is because the majority still use PC's for everyday use...Makes more sense to target those....I've crashed my MacBook Pro before by trying to run too many plugins....I'd consider myself a power user for sure....Other than trying to put too many plugins into a mix, The Mac has been incredibly stable....I found a lot more stability by offloading the processing as much as possible...I started last December putting a music studio together again and I'm still spending money...LOL...I still need to get a magma box for my old Protools processing cards so I can run SIX of them and upgrade to a used Mac Pro (hopefully 8 core)....Also I incorporated a few other things to ease processing such as the Kronos X, a Muse Research Qu4ttro runs TONS of the Spectrasonics stuff without a hiccup and I'd like to add the NI Komplete 9 to it yet....I also have the virus tdm plugin that is really nice.....I can also seamlessly integrate a lot more hardware synths if I wanted to....I don't think I'd feel very confident running all that on a PC...moon

[Timo]

I spend a lot of time sorting out family and friends windows machines though as they install all kinds of crap on them which causes problems

That's not Microsoft's fault, or the fault of the computers. That's your family and friends' faults.

[BobTheDog]

I'm not blaming anyone, I just wanted to make an observation.

[chilly7]

http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/19/5227 ... s-on-video

[Timo]

Looking briefly at the vid, I'd have a hard time to consciously not throw waste paper into it.

[chilly7]

Looking briefly at the vid, I'd have a hard time to consciously not throw waste paper into it.

They promised a deep review after a fwe days, i am looking foward to that

[chilly7]

http://youtu.be/y_CKFPbqB6Q

[chilly7]

http://youtu.be/4BDldk3VL-M
http://youtu.be/jKUpU9UeUTk